[Bowser330]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

do they depreciate that much in 3 years??

Check the asking prices for 2014's (lci)......50-60k before negotiation...that corresponds to 50% of the orig. msrp

Pre lci 2013s are 40-50 before nego

[ChiTownM]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

Check the asking prices for 2014's (lci)......50-60k before negotiation...that corresponds to 50% of the orig. msrp

Pre lci 2013s are 40-50 before nego

This is nearly as bad as the i8 market introduction and overproduction leading to huge depreciation for their early adopters and brand fans. They will become Toyota instead of moving upmarket, including the 8 series. Much easier to jump ship nowadays because there a lot of great products aka cars out there

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

Check the asking prices for 2014's (lci)......50-60k before negotiation...that corresponds to 50% of the orig. msrp

Pre lci 2013s are 40-50 before nego

ouch!

should go buy one for my wife right now. lol

[JVillan11]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

ouch!

should go buy one for my wife right now. lol

My thoughts exactly! My wifes lease is up next year on her 435 gran coupe

[Bowser330]

I Know they aren't competitors and have different value propositions but...

2014 LCI M5s are selling for the same price range as 2015 M3s.....i mean, come on....Something's not right about that.

[Bowser330]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

ouch!

should go buy one for my wife right now. lol

Not now, just wait till the f90 comes out in wide release... then f10 values will take another hit..see then you can negotiate saying it's the old style, old model, no awd, jerky dct, hahaha

[Bowser330]

Originally Posted by ChiTownM

This is nearly as bad as the i8 market introduction and overproduction leading to huge depreciation for their early adopters and brand fans. They will become Toyota instead of moving upmarket, including the 8 series. Much easier to jump ship nowadays because there a lot of great products aka cars out there

The i8 will take an even bigger hit if they come out with a more powerful 2nd gen i8, which is what I've heard...

[infamousq]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Nope not getting one. At least not a Pre-LCi one. I'll wait a few years to maybe either get an Individual LCi with Comp Package brand new for Euro Delivery or pick up a used LCi with Comp Package for 50% off MSRP. But honestly there are other cars I'd rather get, or other projects I'd rather spend money on that will offer more enjoyment than another M5 with the same exact engine as my F10 M5. Besides the disappointment in the engine, I'm disappointed that BMW still hasn't officially unveiled the F90 M5 and we have no idea what MSRP will be for American market. Seems back-asswards to me. What is BMW doing?

I was thinking the same thing. I love doing the ED with my M5 but my priorities have changed and I am getting rid of the car was well as some other stuff. I may jump back into a 30th anniversary M5 later on but for now I will sit back and just watch the "BMW" world burn.....

[2000Z3M]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

I Know they aren't competitors and have different value propositions but...

2014 LCI M5s are selling for the same price range as 2015 M3s.....i mean, come on....Something's not right about that.

fwiw i just had a friend get a 2014 m5 with 53k miles. paid 47k for it. loaded minus the comp pack

[Ragazzi-07]

so these dealers cars are for "demo" purposes only?

or can the dealer bump up your built for one of these cars, and sell to you?

I think its different in Canada .....as they havent even seen the HEA guide yet

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Ragazzi-07

so these dealers cars are for "demo" purposes only?

or can the dealer bump up your built for one of these cars, and sell to you?

I think its different in Canada .....as they havent even seen the HEA guide yet

Yes they can sell their demo cars, but only after a certain date which BMW North America determines. I believe there was one dealership in the Middle East that got in trouble for selling the one of the first G30 5-Series before the date that they were allowed to, when the G30 first came out earlier this year.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Yes they can sell their demo cars, but only after a certain date which BMW North America determines. I believe there was one dealership in the Middle East that got in trouble for selling the one of the first G30 5-Series before the date that they were allowed to, when the G30 first came out earlier this year.

And for those of us who were top of the list when the E46 M3 came out, the fiasco that occurred when many were offered, and accepted the LSB HEA cars (and DP'd when the rod bearings went on top of it all).

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by 2000Z3M

fwiw i just had a friend get a 2014 m5 with 53k miles. paid 47k for it. loaded minus the comp pack

Did he get a free timing chain thrown in? *�

[Crisp]

I placed an order last week and was told the following:

5% ED discount is still in play;
Car would be sold at MSRP;
Production would start in February 2018;
I need to pick a date for pickup in Munich from April 1-30;
Residual should be 58% for a 10k/36mo lease.

I was third in line at my east coast dealer who has 10 allocations.
If any of those values get worse, I'm out. I'd rather spend that money on a new Panamera of pre-owned E63S 4Matic.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Crisp

I placed an order last week and was told the following:

5% ED discount is still in play;
Car would be sold at MSRP;
Production would start in February 2018;
I need to pick a date for pickup in Munich from April 1-30;
Residual should be 58% for a 10k/36mo lease.

I was third in line at my east coast dealer who has 10 allocations.
If any of those values get worse, I'm out. I'd rather spend that money on a new Panamera of pre-owned E63S 4Matic.

Thanks for sharing. The biggest thing here is that ED's come out of dealer allocation. This is a terrible thing for the buyer.

I believe the F10 M5 was at 48% residual for 12k/36 months. So I'm guessing 12k/36 would be like 56% or 54% for the F90 M5. It's better but not great still. Still, that extra 2% discount loss from ED's on a 120k+ car is a big deal. Every little bit counts.

Again, especially if buying the F90, a 40-50% loss in value over 3 years for a car that has the same engine as the F10 M5 is just looney to me. Why would I flush money down the toilet like that to get into another car that has the same power and torque characteristics, the same exhaust note, and the same fuel economy as what I've already been driving for the past 5 years? For people who never got into the F10, it makes sense, but as an M5 enthusiast, well, you know. Such disappointment. :

[goj]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

This is all going very differently than when the F10 M5 order bank opened. When the F10 M5 was available for ordering back in May of 2012 (for Americans) we already knew what the entire car would look like and exactly how much it would cost. With the F90 M5 customers don't know either of those things as of this writing.

Also, I'm willing to bet that all F90 M5's will come out of dealer allocation for American European Delivery and with ED orders only getting 5% discount as standard, as opposed to 7% that we used to get, and now no MSD program, Americans will pay a lot more for the launch of this F90 M5 than what we paid when the F10 M5 first came out. All of these things combined lead to a bad deal for a car that is going to depreciate to around 50% value in 3 years. I at least hope the F90 M5 will come with adjustable side bolsters for the first model year that Americans will get it. :

They're doing what MB and Audi do on these cars. I'm surprised it took this long for them to reduce discounts, remove MSD, and raise residuals

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

do they depreciate that much in 3 years??

LOL! My LCI F10 M5 lost £39,000 from list in 12 months.....

[gmfive]

Sorry to say that M5 is not an investment vehicle. Not sure why everyone is talking about depreciation in isolation. That is how this segment plays.

Also, shouldn't we at least wait to hear and drive the F90 M5 before writing off its engine, exhaust note and driving characteristics?

[sealionbeast]

Originally Posted by gmfive

Sorry to say that M5 is not an investment vehicle. Not sure why everyone is talking about depreciation in isolation. That is how that segment plays.

Also, shouldn't we at least wait to hear and drive the F90 M5 before writing off its engine, exhaust note and driving characteristics?

Agreed.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

Not now, just wait till the f90 comes out in wide release... then f10 values will take another hit..see then you can negotiate saying it's the old style, old model, no awd, jerky dct, hahaha

So true. Same excuses as e60

[Bowser330]

The market will be tougher for the f90, the new panamera and e63 have improved their styling. Plus who knows what audi's doing with the next rs7....

GSF for those that want naturally aspirated...I've seen a couple around

So there are better choices now than in f10 m5 days....no?

[infamousq]

Originally Posted by gmfive

Sorry to say that M5 is not an investment vehicle. Not sure why everyone is talking about depreciation in isolation. That is how this segment plays.

Also, shouldn't we at least wait to hear and drive the F90 M5 before writing off its engine, exhaust note and driving characteristics?

100% correct no car is a true investment. The Mob waits for no man/car off with it's head