[uhn2000]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Curious what u think about the M8? I dumped mine after 6 months. I can't imagine it is that much different than the M5CS since they put up similar track/accel numbers. But I do acknowledge they dull down the M8 for the masses and they can make the CS razor sharp.

I think the CS is just like you said.. its razor sharp. It drives very small and connected for a large car. It feels very planted, responsive, and it has gobs of power and grip. The brakes are also some of the best I have ever had on any car, they are up there with some greats. The major downside to the CS is the exhaust, it really sucks!

[themnmd]

Originally Posted by shaft69

Money no option still have ferrari over M5 without even have think about it.

Yes definitely,Ferrari is in a different class of car. Practical no, not meant to be. Damn does it sound awesome.

[EKD]

Great performance from a dig by the CS no doubt. Its a truly fast if not the fastest sport sedan there is now.

I’m amazed though that in all these threads about quarter mile performance no matter the outcome (M5CS vs Tesla Plaid for example) theres always a bunch claiming their thoughts about the BMW being ”the better car”.

I have an M5C and a 991.2 GT3 RS. Is the M5C faster in a straight line, Yes, does it drive and perform better on a twisty road or track, No not by any means, Does it have better comfort, Yes, Does it sound better, No not close (especially not the LCI), does it depreciate like a rock compared to the GT3 RS, Yes and yes again, which would I choose if I could only have one, the M5C for sure. Just different cars for different purposes.
Like comparing a Rolex to an AppleWatch.

[Audio Fan]

Originally Posted by Flacht3

An 812 owner isn't worried about a red light race against an M5. Nor should they be.

I bet they are.

[Sunnystone]

As a current G80 M3C owner and having been blown away by the sheer pace of it but also knowing how fast the the M5CS is, how the hell are cars even from the M5CS level and beyond bothering with normal day to day driving?

Its apparent to me how much more capable my new G80 M3 is beyond the speed limit. i.e. its too fast for the road so owning an M5CS or any of these 650bhp+ monsters must be so over powered to be really useable. Folk aint getting their monies worth as 75% of their capabilities aint being realised unless at a track and many (most?) of us dont track our cars.

Its mental how fast these things are.

[Sunnystone]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

It's real. Lots of folks on the forum have hit it and seen a change in the transmission's behavior on launch control. Really unfortunate, too as there's no known way to reverse it.

I was told by my bro-in-law who works at a local BMW dealership that every launch adds thousands of miles onto the clutch and that BMW record every launch for each vehicle for warranty purposes. So I guess I can understand BMW wanting to limit the number of launches.

[eljay]

What's the retail on one of those?



I think anything sub 5 seconds is plenty fast and going to 2-3 sec to 100 kph.is another level.
And anyone who is spending money simply based on a paper acceleration or the feeling of being the fastest on the planet has... a lot of money.

They both great cars and if I had the money, I'd have the red car and wouldn't care one bit that a Smart car with a Tesla swap would smoke me at every light and I'd give him a thumbs up each time.

[Al Pinã]

Originally Posted by Flacht3

An 812 owner isn't worried about a red light race against an M5. Nor should they be.

That's a broad and very assumptious statement. You must be the founder of the Ferrari Drivers Club. Or maybe have never been to LA where 23 year old rappers and YouTube millionaires race the shit out of these cars.

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by lambmw

Can you elaborate on this or point me to an article or thread? Not close to 100 uses but my X3 M40i is definitely getting some use..

I believe this is the most comprehensive thread specific to the M5:
https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1798332
Within, there are links to others, where some cite tech training documents that explicitly state the limit (for the F48), and others that just note excessive wear from use.

[Neptune7]

Originally Posted by unfoundnemo

I believe this is the most comprehensive thread specific to the M5:
https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1798332
Within, there are links to others, where some cite tech training documents that explicitly state the limit (for the F48), and others that just note excessive wear from use.

Thank you for sharing. Yes this thread has many examples from past and present owners. It's frustrating that you can't override the limit if you're willing to bear the repair costs. I don't recall other car manufactures having this limit, and BMW denied it in a social media QnA.

[P1]

Originally Posted by tetsuo111

Can it get any sillier?

1) these are orthogonal markets, or at least they have minimal overlap.

2) drivers in either price bracket aren't typically drag racing from red lights.

3) the meta concept of this video is click bait for pre-adolescents and fast and furious fans.

4) followed by (supposed) grown men then discussing said video

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Flacht3

An 812 owner isn't worried about a red light race against an M5. Nor should they be.

Some are! The Ferrari and Lambo drivers in SoCal are every bit as juvenile as anybody else (…especially when the driver is from a wealthy Arab family who finds it necessary to drive at excessive speeds through a residential neighborhood, then fleeing the country when he knew trouble was heading his direction). The owners of high end cars are not exempt from the behaviors associated with the types who drag race at stop lights.

[crypto]

Can we all agree Carwow generally does fun videos with fun cars? Do people get upset when they drag raced lorries? It is a fun repeatable set of tests on how cars are driven.

Also.. accelerating a stop lights is a pretty common thing right? Overtaking, prevent an overtake, having some fun… it's like normal driving and an American past time. Not every "drag race" has to end at 160 MPH.

It seems like some people think cars should either be towed in a trailer for track use only or be driven like Priuses on a max MPG run. 😜

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by crypto

Can we all agree Carwow generally does fun videos with fun cars? Do people get upset when they drag raced lorries? It is a fun repeatable set of tests on how cars are driven.

Also.. accelerating a stop lights is a pretty common thing right? Overtaking, prevent an overtake, having some fun… it's like normal driving and an American past time. Not every "drag race" has to end at 160 MPH.

It seems like some people think cars should either be towed in a trailer for track use only or be driven like Priuses on a max MPG run. 😜

+1

The, "OMG! Another silly CarWow race" comments are annoying. These are just simply fun races; races that might be seen at any intersection or stretch of highway in the country.

[Pazzo009]

I'm finding the banter on this thread amusing. I have a F90 slightly modded and a 812 with sport cats.

What some do not understand and what this video doesn't capture is the magnificent sound of a Ferrari V12 engine and how it screams to 9000rpms. I love my M5 and it's impressive on many levels, but a true Ferrari enthusiast doesn't care about what's the fastest. It's style and scream...for me at least.

[e92hunter]

I was thiiiiis close to pulling the trigger on a Ferrari FF last year but instead went with the F90

[Quinn A]

Originally Posted by e92hunter

I was thiiiiis close to pulling the trigger on a Ferrari FF last year but instead went with the F90

there is no way you drove both and still went with the F90. These are super car fast and comfortable cars, but lack any real interaction, and for me if im going to lack any sort of feedback ill hop in my rolls or something that wont beat me up to seem "sporty" My wife find all of the things i dont like about it as positives and its her daily, donwpipes intakes and JB4 Map2 the car is faster then any of my "fun" cars but i have 10 times more fun daily driving a civic type R, let alone a V12 ferrari

[e92hunter]

Originally Posted by Quinn A

there is no way you drove both and still went with the F90. These are super car fast and comfortable cars, but lack any real interaction, and for me if im going to lack any sort of feedback ill hop in my rolls or something that wont beat me up to seem "sporty" My wife find all of the things i dont like about it as positives and its her daily, donwpipes intakes and JB4 Map2 the car is faster then any of my "fun" cars but i have 10 times more fun daily driving a civic type R, let alone a V12 ferrari

I drove both, the FF was actually cheaper by $10k at that point before the COVID price bump. The reason I went with the F90 was because I read the horror stories about the 4RM system failing which can lead to a $40-50k repair job, and it seems to be a 100% eventual fail no matter how you drive the car. At that time, the solution was not widespread nor available so I looked elsewhere.

I come from GT3s and a long line of modded cars so I know what "fun" is too.

[uhn2000]

Originally Posted by Pazzo009

I'm finding the banter on this thread amusing. I have a F90 slightly modded and a 812 with sport cats.

What some do not understand and what this video doesn't capture is the magnificent sound of a Ferrari V12 engine and how it screams to 9000rpms. I love my M5 and it's impressive on many levels, but a true Ferrari enthusiast doesn't care about what's the fastest. It's style and scream...for me at least.

Nothing comes close to V12 magic plus my 812/Lusso V12 transmission is that much better and more engaging when you want it to be. Its no knock on the CS, I love it for what it is!

[MineralM]

Originally Posted by tetsuo111

Can it get any sillier?

1) these are orthogonal markets, or at least they have minimal overlap.

2) drivers in either price bracket aren't typically drag racing from red lights.

3) the meta concept of this video is click bait for pre-adolescents and fast and furious fans.

You writing this comment.

[hoffmeister]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Totally agree. While I have a car that does 0-60mph in 2 flat from a dig i have never raced anyone on the street at a stoplight. Most traffic deaths occur from people running red lights. If in front of the line at an intersection, I am letting the car next to me go first. They can be the statistic.

Like in back to the future!

[JOJOZYH]

Some rich kids are about get blowed, although the M5cs is not cheap still.