[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Vic55

F90 is my 4 door so I would replace it with a 4 door and right now the only car as good as an F90 is an..... F mother fucking 90. So maybe ill get a 2020 or 2021 depending on the minute changes. I love my First Edition so its a keeper for now.

I'll let you know tomorrow how it is.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by limeypride

I'll let you know tomorrow how it is.

LOL

Which one? (1, 2, or 3)

[vitaly]

Still have a few years before the decision needs to be made, but maybe M8GC. Need to see the final product before making a decision. Also, not sure it'll justify its MSRP - $160+k has some really decent options, so unless they discount heavily, might try a 911. For now enjoying the M5C

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Vic55

LOL

Which one? (1, 2, or 3)

I think it was #1--2020 Comp in Donington with full black merino, B&W, exec pkg, driver assist+ and the mandatory moonroof.

[MSportDC]

Originally Posted by Punitive

Approaching 12k miles, I am getting the itch. So far RS6 Avant has me most interested. What are some of the others thinking as the next replacement?

Porsche Taycan or Ferrari Pista, perhaps RS6 Avant.

[Jimmy K]

Originally Posted by Deda

i just got offer for my M5...if i sell the beast,i will look in X5M direction.

I would highly recommend not doing this, unless you need the extra trunk capacity or the section 179 write off.

I switched from a 2018 X5M to a 2019 M5C and do not regret the decision one bit.

The M5C puts a smile on my face everyday, whereas, the X5M did not. YMMV

[secretariat]

The first thing you want to do with an X5M is pulled the fuse for ASD, absolutely ridiculous feature. Also one problem with the X5M after 30,000 miles (besides squealing brakes) is that it is effortless in it's speed. Put your foot down and your gone, quite incredible for a 5600 pound vehicle but there is no feedback whatsoever, making the steering heavier in sport or sport+ is not feel. I remember my 1989 3 series, now that was a car that was engaging. It felt like you were one with the vehicle, like you were part of it. Now it is very difficult to get attached. I hope this make sense for the person who's looking to go into the X5M.

[Deda]

Thanks guys for feedback about X5M....i really wanted opinion from guys who drove X5M...only reason why i will go for X5M is trunk space..nothing else...im fully aware that there is no better sedan in market at this moment. M5 all the way,well if i sell the car..i go again for 2020 M5.

[windtendo]

Nothing at a similar price point is speaking to me at the moment. May get into another M5 in 2 years if the story is the same. We shall see.

[Punitive]

So for the ones in the same boat, RS6 Avant and 991.2 Turbo S are in the lead. At a steady rate of depreciation, the GT 63 looks promising as well.

[Ragazzi-07]

only contender for me is RS7 or G63 new body.

but Audi will get boring real quick..

nothing really intrigues me right now.....

[ZZZZMD1991]

I would venture to say another M5. I've had 3 M5's, ordering my F90.....Have driven the 911 at least 20 times and never was happier getting into my BMW after those test drives.....Still seems best compromise of performance, comfort, convenience, function.

[Archimedes65]

Originally Posted by Nikolov

Welp, considering you're calling the 991.2 TTS a downgrade compared to a M5C and that you're liking the ZF, I'm sure your driving capabilities far surpass mine.

You're comparing two entirely different cars (sports sedan versus true sports car) at two totally different price points. Moving from one to the other could say as much about what you're looking for in a car as it does about the car you're leaving behind.

I recently went the opposite direction, from Porsche (991.1S and Spyder) to an M5. Not because I prefer one over the other, but because my needs changed. Horses for courses and all that.

[JustChris]

G90

[vitaly]

I came out of a 16 X5M. It's a great car but hard to compare, naturally, against an M5C. One thing I'll say is the full leather (and dash in general) was much higher quality in it than my M5C. Also not a single crackle or pop in the cabin, whereas M5C lets them off daily.

Looking forward to what the new X5M will look and feel like.

[Nikolov]

Originally Posted by Archimedes65

You're comparing two entirely different cars (sports sedan versus true sports car) at two totally different price points. Moving from one to the other could say as much about what you're looking for in a car as it does about the car you're leaving behind.

I recently went the opposite direction, from Porsche (991.1S and Spyder) to an M5. Not because I prefer one over the other, but because my needs changed. Horses for courses and all that.

Well that's the thing, I feel like BMW are moving away from the sports side of things by adding unnecessary things to the M5 and making it more and more similar to the regular 5 series line:

- electric servo, so you can have park assist/lane assist, but less feedback from the road. Honestly, the M5 target is now people who can't park and can't stay in their own lane?
- ZF8 because it can "handle more power". Let's be real, the DCT was able to handle a lot more power with the proper clutches and was a sports oriented transmission. The ZF8 is something you put in the regular 5 series, not the M5.

These two things alone kill a lot of the feedback and joy from driving the car, even if it's a heavy 4 door saloon. Despite the F90 being an overall better package than the F10, it's not as engaging to drive.

[windtendo]

Originally Posted by Nikolov

Well that's the thing, I feel like BMW are moving away from the sports side of things by adding unnecessary things to the M5 and making it more and more similar to the regular 5 series line:

- electric servo, so you can have park assist/lane assist, but less feedback from the road. Honestly, the M5 target is now people who can't park and can't stay in their own lane?
- ZF8 because it can "handle more power". Let's be real, the DCT was able to handle a lot more power with the proper clutches and was a sports oriented transmission. The ZF8 is something you put in the regular 5 series, not the M5.

These two things alone kill a lot of the feedback and joy from driving the car, even if it's a heavy 4 door saloon. Despite the F90 being an overall better package than the F10, it's not as engaging to drive.

Have you spent a day with the F90 M5/M5C on a track?

[Nikolov]

Yes, I have.

[windtendo]

Originally Posted by Nikolov

Yes, I have.

I drove an M2C, M4C, and M5C back to back all day long on a track for two days straight, and I never once thought the transmission was getting in the way of this car nor did I ever think the M5C was less engaging than it's little brothers. It's a beast through and through.

[A Need For Speed]

Originally Posted by Nikolov

Well that's the thing, I feel like BMW are moving away from the sports side of things by adding unnecessary things to the M5 and making it more and more similar to the regular 5 series line:

- electric servo, so you can have park assist/lane assist, but less feedback from the road. Honestly, the M5 target is now people who can't park and can't stay in their own lane?
- ZF8 because it can "handle more power". Let's be real, the DCT was able to handle a lot more power with the proper clutches and was a sports oriented transmission. The ZF8 is something you put in the regular 5 series, not the M5.

These two things alone kill a lot of the feedback and joy from driving the car, even if it's a heavy 4 door saloon. Despite the F90 being an overall better package than the F10, it's not as engaging to drive.

Sorry to disagree but a 4 wheel drive beast with more horsepower than a McLaren F1 is in no way, shape or form like a regular 5 series. As for the park assist, I have it, doubt I ever use it and it certainly played no part in my buying decision or probably anyone else's.
Also the tranny is really not bad at all, especially when compared to the prior SMG nightmare of the E60 or any of the DCTs I have driven. Instantly accessible power. Thats all I want from it and it delivers.

So grab a Bulgarian vodka and lighten up.

[Nikolov]

Originally Posted by A Need For Speed

Sorry to disagree but a 4 wheel drive beast with more horsepower than a McLaren F1 is in no way, shape or form like a regular 5 series. As for the park assist, I have it, doubt I ever use it and it certainly played no part in my buying decision or probably anyone else's.
Also the tranny is really not bad at all, especially when compared to the prior SMG nightmare of the E60 or any of the DCTs I have driven. Instantly accessible power. Thats all I want from it and it delivers.

So grab a Bulgarian vodka and lighten up.

Oh, where do I start?

1. The McLaren F1 is almost 30 years old and is still considered one of the best cars ever built. The F90 is just a mass produced vehicle. Saying that the F90 is anywhere near the F1, just because it has more horsepower, doesn't have any relevance.
2. There was nothing wrong with the SMG III, let alone the DCT. To quote you - "perhaps you just didn't know how to drive it" Definitely not in D mode.
3. We don't drink vodka, that's the Russians.

I'll stop derailing OPs thread. I'm not saying the F90 is a bad car, it's the best 4 door saloon currently. I'm saying it could have been a LOT better if it wasn't designed by BMW's Marketing team.

[Murphy33]

My M5 is daily, so next maybe Panamera Turbo