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      04-06-2019, 11:01 PM   #23
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instead of using [COLOR="Red"]launch control w/ between 50-99% throttle[/COLOR] that will give the quickest launches.
That's not possible. The throttle pedal needs to be fully depressed with the kickdown button engaged for launch control to be activated. As soon as the kickdown button is released, launch control is disengaged.
He is talking about controlling his launch rather than actual launch control, which obviously only works one way.

At least I hope…
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wonder how modded the f80 is... but otherwise fun video
It has evolve tune which gives 510 hp, dp full exhaust, lowering (Springs or coil over not sure) evolve wheels plus the eventuri stuff.

Overall not impressive as an ESS E-tronic makes more power than that car and has much better coding.
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That's not possible. The throttle pedal needs to be fully depressed with the kickdown button engaged for launch control to be activated. As soon as the kickdown button is released, launch control is disengaged.
So in relatively perfect irony, it turns out I was confused as well (I've always had manual BMWs and don't use launch control in other peoples' cars)

"Basically, it’s just like activating Launch Control but with a slight difference. When you activate LC you have to press the acceleration pedal to the floor, beyond the kick down pressure point, however you like. Remember this, it’s important.

The Smokey Burnout is activated just the same only that on cars that have this function, they way you press the gas pedal matters. If you press it gradually (slowly) you’ll activate launch control. If you smash it (press it hard and quick) you’ll enter the Smokey Burnout mode and you’ll burn a lot of rubber."

I learned of this feature when a friend of mine who works for BMW took me for a ride in an M2 before they officially went on sale, I joked with him about how useless BMW launch control was because all it did was engage the clutch instantly and do a giant burnout. He was confused, parked the car and engaged launch control and to my surprise the car hooked up and took off quickly in a way I had never felt a DCT car do before and he showed me the two different ways you can use launch control in some M-DCT equipped cars. I thought it was controlled by how far you press the throttle when engaging the launch control feature but evidently it's actually controlled by how quickly you floor the throttle...even more confusing than I thought.
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So in relatively perfect irony, it turns out I was confused as well (I've always had manual BMWs and don't use launch control in other peoples' cars)

"Basically, it’s just like activating Launch Control but with a slight difference. When you activate LC you have to press the acceleration pedal to the floor, beyond the kick down pressure point, however you like. Remember this, it’s important.

The Smokey Burnout is activated just the same only that on cars that have this function, they way you press the gas pedal matters. If you press it gradually (slowly) you’ll activate launch control. If you smash it (press it hard and quick) you’ll enter the Smokey Burnout mode and you’ll burn a lot of rubber."

I learned of this feature when a friend of mine who works for BMW took me for a ride in an M2 before they officially went on sale, I joked with him about how useless BMW launch control was because all it did was engage the clutch instantly and do a giant burnout. He was confused, parked the car and engaged launch control and to my surprise the car hooked up and took off quickly in a way I had never felt a DCT car do before and he showed me the two different ways you can use launch control in some M-DCT equipped cars. I thought it was controlled by how far you press the throttle when engaging the launch control feature but evidently it's actually controlled by how quickly you floor the throttle...even more confusing than I thought.
Sorry, but I call on that.

There's some debunking needed for that mythical "smokey burnout mode". Launch control is launch control, when you see the little flag and the message, LC is engaged, regardless of how quickly you press the accelerator to get it engaged. However, when one just quickly mashes the accelerator quite heavily (does not need to be to the floor nor engaging the kickdown button), the ECU will raise the engine RPM before dumping the clutch, resulting in a "smokey burnout". This is not a "special mode", it's just how the M-DCT have always worked.
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instead of using [COLOR="Red"]launch control w/ between 50-99% throttle[/COLOR] that will give the quickest launches.
That's not possible. The throttle pedal needs to be fully depressed with the kickdown button engaged for launch control to be activated. As soon as the kickdown button is released, launch control is disengaged.
No kick down is needed for my CS to launch. Just 100% throttle but no kick down button, at least in my experience.
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Carwow is an absolutely pointless channel.
It is still pretty fun. Just don't take it too seriously and just enjoy it.
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Sorry, but I call on that.

There's some debunking needed for that mythical "smokey burnout mode". Launch control is launch control, when you see the little flag and the message, LC is engaged, regardless of how quickly you press the accelerator to get it engaged. However, when one just quickly mashes the accelerator quite heavily (does not need to be to the floor nor engaging the kickdown button), the ECU will raise the engine RPM before dumping the clutch, resulting in a "smokey burnout". This is not a "special mode", it's just how the M-DCT have always worked.
When we did the experiment in that DCT M2, both times we had the LC flag displayed on the dash but when smashing the throttle to the floor quickly while enabling LC, the actual launch (after taking foot off the brakes) involved the clutch engaging instantly and frying the rear tires with hardly any forward progress. This is how Carwow always launches and you can often see him jamming his foot down on the throttle prior to the launch.

When my friend applied the throttle a little more gradually to turn on LC, he still launched with his foot flat on the floor and never tried to modulate the throttle himself but I could feel the DCT’s clutch slipping to manage traction without having to cut the engine’s power or dump all the boost. It was a massive difference and the car fired out of the hole in a big hurry.

I had leased a 335is with DCT in the past but I think that car could only launch in the first way, or at least that’s all I ever had happen the handful of times I used Launch Control. You’d always hear the bang as the clutch engaged fully followed by tons of spin and a slow start.
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I don't take Carwow too seriously and actually enjoy the majority of the content. (Even though they don't seem to know how to properly launch an F90).
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Yet again another pointless drag race from CarWow .

In the standing start, the M5 clearly got the jump on the modded M3. Which makes the entire race inconclusive.
This ill will towards CarWow and Matt Watson is becoming bit of a recurring theme on here. I have no personal allegiance to Matt or to CarWow for that matter however there are a few things some might benefit from knowing before throwing rather baseless barbed comments in future.

Matt is a bonafide motoring journalist (you do the searching...) who cut his teeth doing the base car tests before progressing. He has not changed his character or approach from day one, making him genuine beyond fault. If you don’t like (or even understand ) his regional accent or quirks that’s good, we’re all entitled to our opinions.

Personally, Mr. DeMuro’s impossibly high Kermit the Frog tones grate with me but I do respect the man’s work and would not seek to criticise but would openly offer differing views to his, as and when they do arise.

If people wish to criticise the ‘science’ of CarWow’s approach, this is also fine. Matt is pretty open and honest about the flaws in each of his comparison tests but come on, as many have already alluded to, this is all a bit of fun from which we may all draw our own conclusions.

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I want to follow the people on this board to their job and heckle. Everybody anonymously clowns these reviewers and get so butt hurt at any video that doesn't align with their preconceived ideas. Tape a week at your day gig and post it up for the rest of the armchair experts.
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That's absurd. Let me tape my week and edit the content to be exactly what I want shown. That's what these videos are. These aren't just live feeds. And they put them on the internet themselves. Therefore criticism is fair game.
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I want to follow the people on this board to their job and heckle. Everybody anonymously clowns these reviewers and get so butt hurt at any video that doesn't align with their preconceived ideas. Tape a week at your day gig and post it up for the rest of the armchair experts.
If I were to spew as much imprecise BS on my day job as these journos do, I would be fired in a heartbeat
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This ill will towards CarWow and Matt Watson is becoming bit of a recurring theme on here. I have no personal allegiance to Matt or to CarWow for that matter however there are a few things some might benefit from knowing before throwing rather baseless barbed comments in future.

Matt is a bonafide motoring journalist (you do the searching...) who cut his teeth doing the base car tests before progressing. He has not changed his character or approach from day one, making him genuine beyond fault. If you don’t like (or even understand ) his regional accent or quirks that’s good, we’re all entitled to our opinions.

Personally, Mr. DeMuro’s impossibly high Kermit the Frog tones grate with me but I do respect the man’s work and would not seek to criticise but would openly offer differing views to his, as and when they do arise.

If people wish to criticise the ‘science’ of CarWow’s approach, this is also fine. Matt is pretty open and honest about the flaws in each of his comparison tests but come on, as many have already alluded to, this is all a bit of fun from which we may all our own conclusions.
It's nothing against Matt Watson, I actually like his reviews and journalistic style. I just find their empirical tests completely inconclusive and pointless.
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When we did the experiment in that DCT M2, both times we had the LC flag displayed on the dash but when smashing the throttle to the floor quickly while enabling LC, the actual launch (after taking foot off the brakes) involved the clutch engaging instantly and frying the rear tires with hardly any forward progress. This is how Carwow always launches and you can often see him jamming his foot down on the throttle prior to the launch.

When my friend applied the throttle a little more gradually to turn on LC, he still launched with his foot flat on the floor and never tried to modulate the throttle himself but I could feel the DCT’s clutch slipping to manage traction without having to cut the engine’s power or dump all the boost. It was a massive difference and the car fired out of the hole in a big hurry.

I had leased a 335is with DCT in the past but I think that car could only launch in the first way, or at least that’s all I ever had happen the handful of times I used Launch Control. You’d always hear the bang as the clutch engaged fully followed by tons of spin and a slow start.
Just think about the absurdity of that concept, it just does not make sense. Further, it is nowhere stated in the owner's manual. I've doodled enough with LC on my car to know that it isn't the case.
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No kick down is needed for my CS to launch. Just 100% throttle but no kick down button, at least in my experience.
You do need to engage kickdown to activate launch control. See tutorial from BMW-M:
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You do need to engage kickdown to activate launc control. See tutorial from BMW-M:
But why must I use my right foot?
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how much whp does the m3 make?
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im shocked to my core that an m3 with a bunch of more power running stock wheels and tires was months slower.


Shocked. to. my. core.
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I enjoyed watching. Roll race and brake tests were informative. They clearly show some of the numbers they quoted were measured on different days, in different cars. That information is to be taken with a big grain of salt. Still, Some info is better than none.
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