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      01-07-2022, 12:02 PM   #23
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I think it is a very solid review. And, for those few people who continue to hate on the car, I am surprised how they are doing so without actually driving one first. But hey, everyone can be a keyboard warrior these days.

The reviews say that it is better all around than the M5 Comp, yet people who have never driven the CS claim that can't be possible. Sounds more like sour grapes than anything else.

Personally, I don't claim that it is better than the standard M5 or the Comp because I have had very little seat time in those cars. All I know is that I absolutely love my M5 CS. It is an all around fantastic performer.

I like how he compared it to the E39 M5. that was a great car and I absolutely loved it. The Madonna movie was just icing on the cake as well back then.

He is also right about the engine sound. It is just too quiet. I'm over 3,000 miles now and it has opened up a bit, but still leaves a lot to be desired.
You hit the nail on the head. People dishing out criticism about the CS without even driving it.

Having owned the F90 comp, I most certainly claim the CS is better than the comp by a noticeable margin. If you are talking about comfort and more features, then the comp is better, but as a drivers car and as far as the total package, with everything they have done to the CS, it is the best car I have ever owned and I feel privileged to get my hands on one.
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I'm all about the CS line. I had a F80cs myself. It's definitely a more special car than the competition and base models given the little details added. Everything adds up in the end to where the car does feel different despite minor changes on paper.

However, when it comes down to it, the CS is basically the competition with weight reduction, a mild engine tune, and possible suspension tuning. It has the same exact engine and suspension hardware as the M8 competition and M5 competition LCI. The M5CS wheels also have the same exact 789m wheels just in a different color, whereas the M3 and M2 cs have their own unique lighter 763m wheels.

As to whether the weight reduction and software tuning leads to such significant difference in feel that many reviewers are reporting, I am sure there is a noticeable difference. But a lot of these videos seem to suggest that the M5CS is so different that it's an entirely different chassis. If I wasn't in the know of how BMW markets their CS models, I would believe that the M5CS is some bespoke chassis built from scratch so vastly different than other M5s, but in reality that's not it. BMW does this with all their CS models so far. It's parts bin package with some unique parts like the CF hood, but the core components are shared between the CS, Competition and to a lesser extent base models.

I think they did an amazing job for the CS but I wanted to add to the discussion that lot of this is marketing. This is not to bash the CS by any means, I'm just trying to look at it realistically. I myself would rather have one too, but not at the expense of trading in my M5C and paying ADM in this market.
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I think it is a very solid review. And, for those few people who continue to hate on the car, I am surprised how they are doing so without actually driving one first. But hey, everyone can be a keyboard warrior these days.

The reviews say that it is better all around than the M5 Comp, yet people who have never driven the CS claim that can't be possible. Sounds more like sour grapes than anything else.

Personally, I don't claim that it is better than the standard M5 or the Comp because I have had very little seat time in those cars. All I know is that I absolutely love my M5 CS. It is an all around fantastic performer.

I like how he compared it to the E39 M5. that was a great car and I absolutely loved it. The Madonna movie was just icing on the cake as well back then.

He is also right about the engine sound. It is just too quiet. I'm over 3,000 miles now and it has opened up a bit, but still leaves a lot to be desired.
This bodes well for BMW in the electric car era though. When a car is something as desirable as this but the engine and engine note are an afterthought, it means that BMW is poised to make great electric cars cause the chassis dynamics and steering is going to be how cars are judged in the electric car era.
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great video, but...

But the CS isn't close to supercar levels.. let's stop the nonsense. lol
It has a high performance V8, ceramic brakes, carbon fibre panels, premium suspension components…. so it has a lot in common with exotic super cars. It just happens to have 4 doors.
Sorry everyone but we're doing things Trevor's way now.
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you guys just need to get your head out of your asses. I've never once discredited the M5 in any way. I'm simply saying it isn't a super car, or even close to it in regards to performance. It lost to the new turbo, not even the S. Yet you guys keep badgering this "supercar" thing.
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Buy what you want, call it what you want (supercar) and enjoy it.

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you guys just need to get your head out of your asses. I've never once discredited the M5 in any way. I'm simply saying it isn't a super car, or even close to it in regards to performance. It lost to the new turbo, not even the S. Yet you guys keep badgering this "supercar" thing.
If we're talking about just 0-60, then Porsche's own GT2 RS is slower than the Turbo S. As is the McLaren 720S. And the Lamborghini Huracan STO. And the Bugatti Chiron.

Can we agree that there's more to a "supercar" label than just acceleration times? And can we agree that the M5 CS is one of the fastest sedans on the planet at any price? That makes it pretty super in my book.
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If we're talking about just 0-60, then Porsche's own GT2 RS is slower than the Turbo S. As is the McLaren 720S. And the Huracan STO. And the Bugatti Chiron.

Can we agree that there's more to a "supercar" label than just acceleration times? And can we agree that the M5 CS is one of the fastest sedans on the planet at any price?
NO 0-60 OR BUST.

I remember when I was younger and all I chased was acceleration then I grew up and learned it's about the experience that the car gives you, because it's only so much fun to liquify tires in 1st through 5th gear. I've had seat time in both the M5C and the CS, and the CS does indeed make a difference, especially in the suspension tuning. If it came with more power, I'd be fine with that too, but it's not bad stock. I felt more impressed with the experience than a stock 992 Turbo s. I'm still waiting on my allocation for one and going to mod the piss out of it. (the Turbo s that is)
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NO 0-60 OR BUST.

I remember when I was younger and all I chased was acceleration then I grew up and learned it's about the experience that the car gives you, because it's only so much fun to liquify tires in 1st through 5th gear. I've had seat time in both the M5C and the CS, and the CS does indeed make a difference, especially in the suspension tuning. If it came with more power, I'd be fine with that too, but it's not bad stock. I felt more impressed with the experience than a stock 992 Turbo s. I'm still waiting on my allocation for one and going to mod the piss out of it. (the Turbo s that is)
You just said when you are younger you'd just chase acceleration, but then you are calling for more power in the M5 CS and modding a 992 Turbo S.

Are you tracking those cars?
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If we're talking about just 0-60, then Porsche's own GT2 RS is slower than the Turbo S. As is the McLaren 720S. And the Huracan STO. And the Bugatti Chiron.

Can we agree that there's more to a "supercar" label than just acceleration times? And can we agree that the M5 CS is one of the fastest sedans on the planet at any price?


i can. absolutely.
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...and nearly +1,000 pounds.

It's performance is similar to an M8. I had one. Super boring and slow compared to real supercars.
Your i8 is surely more of a supercar than the M5CS right
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...and nearly +1,000 pounds.

It's performance is similar to an M8. I had one. Super boring and slow compared to real supercars.
Is M8 boring? can you elaborate? compare to what?
Slow? Are you calling a car which is reported top 10 quickest car in the world as "slow" ?

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-2020-slowest/

Well I have been driving my M8 for about 10 months and had bunch of M-Cars before this M8 and never felt boring or slow
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Having significant seat time pushing an M2C hard and now owning the M2 CS, the difference is real. I believe the reviews on the M5 CS, especially EVO.

The only unfortunate aspect of the M5 CS is the auto gearbox, but most super cars do not have a true manual anymore.

I'll stop defending the CS, maybe people will stop buying them and I can get my hands on one of these so called M5s with a few carbon bits.
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you guys just need to get your head out of your asses. I've never once discredited the M5 in any way. I'm simply saying it isn't a super car, or even close to it in regards to performance. It lost to the new turbo, not even the S. Yet you guys keep badgering this "supercar" thing.
Can you describe a "super car" here?
Seriously I would like to know the criteria of a super car in your mind!
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You just said when you are younger you'd just chase acceleration, but then you are calling for more power in the M5 CS and modding a 992 Turbo S.

Are you tracking those cars?


It's a matter of not overpowering the chassis and ruining the balance. I think the m5cs could stand about another 200-300awhp before you start having traction issues and having too much speed for those brakes. The turbo s just so happens to have higher limits.

I do indeed intend to track both. I PPF'ed the hell out of the CS so hopefully I don't get a bunch of shit all over the paint.

After having a 1118hp S2000, I'm pretty sure I know what it's like to overpower a chassis.
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The M5 is a great car, but it isn't what I'd consider a "supercar." I wouldn't even consider the GTR a "supercar." Supercars to me are on up there with Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini...

For the CS, yes it's nice, but there is this disconnect between what it actually is and what people want to say it is. Much was removed from the CS that helps put the polish on the M5 in general, and then those gimmicky, ball-fondling (honestly this may be the source of all the fandom), carbon fiber seats were added. It's just a bastardized offshoot of the M5... as a "track car."

I just have issues with spending a premium on something that is less of a daily driver (which to me is one of the major identity characteristics of the M5) and more of a "hey, we have all this Signal Green paint left over and these tacky ass bronze wheels, how can we get rid of them?"
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...and nearly +1,000 pounds.

It's performance is similar to an M8. I had one. Super boring and slow compared to real supercars.
Your i8 is surely more of a supercar than the M5CS right
My i8 was just for commuting. Had 6 others cars at that point including a 991 GT3, modded 991 Turbo S and modded 997.2 Turbo S. M8 came after the i8.
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You just said when you are younger you'd just chase acceleration, but then you are calling for more power in the M5 CS and modding a 992 Turbo S.

Are you tracking those cars?


It's a matter of not overpowering the chassis and ruining the balance. I think the m5cs could stand about another 200-300awhp before you start having traction issues and having too much speed for those brakes. The turbo s just so happens to have higher limits.

I do indeed intend to track both. I PPF'ed the hell out of the CS so hopefully I don't get a bunch of shit all over the paint.

After having a 1118hp S2000, I'm pretty sure I know what it's like to overpower a chassis.
Where did you get your PPF done? I need to find a new shop since the first one did a horrible job and the car needs to be done again.
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The M5 is a great car, but it isn't what I'd consider a "supercar." I wouldn't even consider the GTR a "supercar." Supercars to me are on up there with Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini...

For the CS, yes it's nice, but there is this disconnect between what it actually is and what people want to say it is. Much was removed from the CS that helps put the polish on the M5 in general, and then those gimmicky, ball-fondling (honestly this may be the source of all the fandom), carbon fiber seats were added. It's just a bastardized offshoot of the M5... as a "track car."

I just have issues with spending a premium on something that is less of a daily driver (which to me is one of the major identity characteristics of the M5) and more of a "hey, we have all this Signal Green paint left over and these tacky ass bronze wheels, how can we get rid of them?"
Apparently CS stands for Complete Scam?
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You just said when you are younger you'd just chase acceleration, but then you are calling for more power in the M5 CS and modding a 992 Turbo S.

Are you tracking those cars?


It's a matter of not overpowering the chassis and ruining the balance. I think the m5cs could stand about another 200-300awhp before you start having traction issues and having too much speed for those brakes. The turbo s just so happens to have higher limits.

I do indeed intend to track both. I PPF'ed the hell out of the CS so hopefully I don't get a bunch of shit all over the paint.

After having a 1118hp S2000, I'm pretty sure I know what it's like to overpower a chassis.
The S2000 was such a fun car. My cousin had one stock over a decade ago and the smile on your face was sublime. Not the fastest stock but I really enjoyed that 9000rpm redline.
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