[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Hmm...which is it? 4200lbs isn't 1800kg.

4200lbs = 1905kg

1800kg = 3968lbs

Sorry, error converting units... Articles have weights from 1800kg to 1850kg.

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

On bmw.de the weight listed for the M6 Coupe is only 10 kg different from when the M6 Coupe was listed on the USA website, similar story with the Convertible.

However the M550i shows as a full 100kg heavier on the USA website than on the German website. The 530i is similar. Maybe with the G30 generation they have started weighing the cars differently between the countries? So 1800kg is correct in Europe and 4200lbs is correct in the USA?

M550i
USA: 4372lbs, 1984kg
DE: 4155lbs, 1885kg

M6 Coupe
USA: 4250lbs, 1928kg
DE: 4243lbs, 1925kg

M6 Vert:
USA: 4515lbs, 2048kg
DE: 4529lbs, 2055kg

G30 530i
USA: 3746lbs, 1700kg
DE: 3559lbs, 1615kg

It has a lot to do with standard equpment levels. The cars sold in the US usually have more standard equipment than in Germany... This varies from model to model of course...

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

I think some people who are nostalgic about the M5's of old will find a viable option in the current M3: about the same size and power as the E39, the most revered M5. The current M5 competes in the category above, which is the sports limousine, whose buyer, who is older, maybe want more power, but also more refinement and ease of driving. That's why we have rubber mounted subframe, AWD, auto transmission and the likes.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by mirob

I believe that FCA and Ferrari have officially split. Ferrari is a stand-alone company now.

I do agree, he's arrogant in a typical BMW-douchebaggary fashion...

FCA is an Italian company (Fiat) that took over a Near bankrupt American company (Chrysler-Dodge).
It's all very well explaining at about these muscle cars but in all honesty those that want a high performance luxury car would react the same way.

[Jay-K]

despite the 8 speed at,
car is hot and I can't wait!

[superchargedman]

Here's a vid with a good on-board capture of what it sounds like from the driver's seat. You also get to hear timo glock give not such a great synopsis of the drive modes:

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

FCA is an Italian company (Fiat) that took over a Near bankrupt American company (Chrysler-Dodge).
It's all very well explaining at about these muscle cars but in all honesty those that want a high performance luxury car would react the same way.

Let's not be too snobby here, why would amateurs of luxury sedans NOT be fans of modern muscle cars?

At least FCA has the guts to produce a low volume/high impact cars such as the Demon. The result is everybody is talking about that car...

[thebmw]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

Let's not be too snobby here, why would amateurs of luxury sedans NOT be fans of modern muscle cars?

At least FCA has the guts to produce a low volume/high impact cars such as the Demon. The result is everybody is talking about that car...

Agree. You know what real engineering is? Taking a 10-15 year old platform that weighs over 2 tons and transforming it into the fastest production car in human history! I give the SRT team serious kudos for their creativity and bravado (and BTW, they still offer a pure Tremec based manual).

[adc]

Originally Posted by SFT33

As the current owner of an E28, E34, E60 and F10 M5 and an E63s Mercedes wagon - the move to AWD/gimmicky 2WD mode and the inclusion of a traditional autobox really makes me think M is headed in the wrong direction. The M5 always distinguished itself as the only car in its class with a manual/smg/dct. It was different than anything else on the road. Now - it's just one the boys. Sure - they will pick up customers in cold weather regions with AWD which I have no problem with - they are a business. However - dropping the DCT just sickens me. This also means the next M3/M4 is going to go the same route. Sad.

So will you buy one to add to your collection?

[MWcoupe]

Goodbye M4... hello big bro m5 without dct?.prob not getting carbon ceramics this time. The rear floating brakes don't justify the price tag anymore. Although I loved it on the m4

[superchargedman]

Here's some more footage:

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

I think some people who are nostalgic about the M5's of old will find a viable option in the current M3: about the same size and power as the E39, the most revered M5. The current M5 competes in the category above, which is the sports limousine, whose buyer, who is older, maybe want more power, but also more refinement and ease of driving. That's why we have rubber mounted subframe, AWD, auto transmission and the likes.

That's what I have been saying. If the M5 was up to us in this forum to design, it would be much different.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by michal12

Cannot agree more! I am a BMW person but the sound of an M5 (this or F10) is so bad for me that I would actually buy an RS6 or E63 instead.

They can and do.

M135/40 235/40 and M2 sound better than every other hatchback or small coupe in the same segment with the exception of the old Focus RS and the current RS3 which also sound sweet. Pity they're gonna crap it up by going 4 cyl with next 1er.

C43 drove past me the other day and I have to say I was surprised and v disappointed with notes I heard.

[superchargedman]

This one is a long review from arabtv with a spin out at 16:00.

[superchargedman]

It's a monster and looks like a hand full at 1800 when timo takes it out hard in rwd.

[Bowser330]

Any new renderings in the works based on the clues from the idrive display? Front lip details shown also the lower side fender grill that carries over from g30. Also shows a silver upper fender grill that does not look at all like the f10 m5's upper fender grill

[superchargedman]

Shmee did a review! I kinda hate him for flipping his gt4, but here ya go

[Greer]

That was a nice review from Shemee

[superchargedman]

Here's autocar's-