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      01-04-2022, 08:00 PM   #1
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Ultra highflow keller primaries

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I knew about high flow but just recently found out about ultra high flow. $2799 for the set. Curious what difference these make compared to regular high flow
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Anyone in this forum have these?
I knew about high flow but just recently found out about ultra high flow. $2799 for the set. Curious what difference these make compared to regular high flow
my guess is they are the same, I dont know that they offer two styles. Dont get too caught up in a name, find one that fits they all do the same thing. "Records" have beet set with both 3" and 3.5" You can also still make a ton of power just removing the secondaries. I run a 5.93 60-130 with stock uppers.
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Anyone in this forum have these?
I knew about high flow but just recently found out about ultra high flow. $2799 for the set. Curious what difference these make compared to regular high flow
my guess is they are the same, I dont know that they offer two styles. Dont get too caught up in a name, find one that fits they all do the same thing. "Records" have beet set with both 3" and 3.5" You can also still make a ton of power just removing the secondaries. I run a 5.93 60-130 with stock uppers.
Im looking to do stage 2 tune so i need to change the primaries but dont want the smell.
I was going to keep the secondary factory because i dont want it annoyingly loud. From what ive heard there is very minimal gain in doing catless secondaries.
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Anyone in this forum have these?
I knew about high flow but just recently found out about ultra high flow. $2799 for the set. Curious what difference these make compared to regular high flow
my guess is they are the same, I dont know that they offer two styles. Dont get too caught up in a name, find one that fits they all do the same thing. "Records" have beet set with both 3" and 3.5" You can also still make a ton of power just removing the secondaries. I run a 5.93 60-130 with stock uppers.
Im looking to do stage 2 tune so i need to change the primaries but dont want the smell.
I was going to keep the secondary factory because i dont want it annoyingly loud. From what ive heard there is very minimal gain in doing catless secondaries.
You don't need to change primaries to do "stage 2" If you remove the secondaries you get zero smell and turbo spool.
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Anyone in this forum have these?
I knew about high flow but just recently found out about ultra high flow. $2799 for the set. Curious what difference these make compared to regular high flow
my guess is they are the same, I dont know that they offer two styles. Dont get too caught up in a name, find one that fits they all do the same thing. "Records" have beet set with both 3" and 3.5" You can also still make a ton of power just removing the secondaries. I run a 5.93 60-130 with stock uppers.
Im looking to do stage 2 tune so i need to change the primaries but dont want the smell.
I was going to keep the secondary factory because i dont want it annoyingly loud. From what ive heard there is very minimal gain in doing catless secondaries.
You don't need to change primaries to do "stage 2" If you remove the secondaries you get zero smell and turbo spool.
Do you think its worth the "bang for the buck"
To change the downpipes to get that extra performance?
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Anyone in this forum have these?
I knew about high flow but just recently found out about ultra high flow. $2799 for the set. Curious what difference these make compared to regular high flow
my guess is they are the same, I dont know that they offer two styles. Dont get too caught up in a name, find one that fits they all do the same thing. "Records" have beet set with both 3" and 3.5" You can also still make a ton of power just removing the secondaries. I run a 5.93 60-130 with stock uppers.
Im looking to do stage 2 tune so i need to change the primaries but dont want the smell.
I was going to keep the secondary factory because i dont want it annoyingly loud. From what ive heard there is very minimal gain in doing catless secondaries.
You don't need to change primaries to do "stage 2" If you remove the secondaries you get zero smell and turbo spool.
Do you think its worth the "bang for the buck"
To change the downpipes to get that extra performance?
With a real custom tune along with TCU tune no. You don't need them.
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Anyone in this forum have these?
I knew about high flow but just recently found out about ultra high flow. $2799 for the set. Curious what difference these make compared to regular high flow
my guess is they are the same, I dont know that they offer two styles. Dont get too caught up in a name, find one that fits they all do the same thing. "Records" have beet set with both 3" and 3.5" You can also still make a ton of power just removing the secondaries. I run a 5.93 60-130 with stock uppers.
Im looking to do stage 2 tune so i need to change the primaries but dont want the smell.
I was going to keep the secondary factory because i dont want it annoyingly loud. From what ive heard there is very minimal gain in doing catless secondaries.
You don't need to change primaries to do "stage 2" If you remove the secondaries you get zero smell and turbo spool.
Do you think its worth the "bang for the buck"
To change the downpipes to get that extra performance?
With a real custom tune along with TCU tune no. You don't need them.
Yes thanks for clearing that up but the aftermarket downpipes do add ponies so my question is for the is it worth it? I dont know how much power is gained
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Some reputable tuners require full or partial catless for their stage 2 tunes, so there must be power to be gained. Whether chasing every last bit is worthwhile to you is another question. The fastest stock turbo M5 are catless, but there are some with half the cats that would be fast enough for me.
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Not sure if it’s the flow they are after or the safety… cats heat up really hot, higher boost and power, could potentially melt them perhaps. Not to mention the huge amount of extra heat next to the turbos.
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Anyone in this forum have these?
I knew about high flow but just recently found out about ultra high flow. $2799 for the set. Curious what difference these make compared to regular high flow
my guess is they are the same, I dont know that they offer two styles. Dont get too caught up in a name, find one that fits they all do the same thing. "Records" have beet set with both 3" and 3.5" You can also still make a ton of power just removing the secondaries. I run a 5.93 60-130 with stock uppers.
Im looking to do stage 2 tune so i need to change the primaries but dont want the smell.
I was going to keep the secondary factory because i dont want it annoyingly loud. From what ive heard there is very minimal gain in doing catless secondaries.
You don't need to change primaries to do "stage 2" If you remove the secondaries you get zero smell and turbo spool.
Do you think its worth the "bang for the buck"
To change the downpipes to get that extra performance?
With a real custom tune along with TCU tune no. You don't need them.
Yes thanks for clearing that up but the aftermarket downpipes do add ponies so my question is for the is it worth it? I dont know how much power is gained
All depends on how fast you want to go. I'm a "stage 1.5" and have achieved all of my goals. I'm faster than some "stage 2" cars down that have meth/full downpipes/lighter wheels. So I'm a believer in that full down pipes are not "needed" to go fast.
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Anyone in this forum have these?
I knew about high flow but just recently found out about ultra high flow. $2799 for the set. Curious what difference these make compared to regular high flow
my guess is they are the same, I dont know that they offer two styles. Dont get too caught up in a name, find one that fits they all do the same thing. "Records" have beet set with both 3" and 3.5" You can also still make a ton of power just removing the secondaries. I run a 5.93 60-130 with stock uppers.
Im looking to do stage 2 tune so i need to change the primaries but dont want the smell.
I was going to keep the secondary factory because i dont want it annoyingly loud. From what ive heard there is very minimal gain in doing catless secondaries.
You don't need to change primaries to do "stage 2" If you remove the secondaries you get zero smell and turbo spool.
Do you think its worth the "bang for the buck"
To change the downpipes to get that extra performance?
With a real custom tune along with TCU tune no. You don't need them.
Yes thanks for clearing that up but the aftermarket downpipes do add ponies so my question is for the is it worth it? I dont know how much power is gained
All depends on how fast you want to go. I'm a "stage 1.5" and have achieved all of my goals. I'm faster than some "stage 2" cars down that have meth/full downpipes/lighter wheels. So I'm a believer in that full down pipes are not "needed" to go fast.
5.93 60-130
1/4mi 10.14 @ 138.78mph
Wow thats amazing… stage 1.5?!!!
I have never heard of this until now. What exactly is your set up and who did your tune?
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I have never heard of this until now. What exactly is your set up and who did your tune?
Probably because I made it up, I don't like the Stage talk never got into it.
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Wow thats amazing… stage 1.5?!!!
I have never heard of this until now. What exactly is your set up and who did your tune?
Probably because I made it up, I don't like the Stage talk never got into it.
-Utku Noa Performance custom ECU E45
-xHP TCU
-Project Gamma lower downpipes
-Project Gamma intake
Stock exhaust, no MPE etc
I dont think you could've convinced my 6 year old with that but still funny lol.

Think im just going to get highflow primaries since they are closest to the turbo and wrap them . Gonna leave secondary stock and go with stage 2. Might get dinan cold air and turbo inlets and call it a day. I know theres a ton more i can do but im not looking to break record. Thanks for all the input bud.
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my guess is they are the same, I dont know that they offer two styles. Dont get too caught up in a name, find one that fits they all do the same thing. "Records" have beet set with both 3" and 3.5" You can also still make a ton of power just removing the secondaries. I run a 5.93 60-130 with stock uppers.
on your 60-130 pulls are you using 4wd sport and mdm or 4wd sport and dsc off?
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my guess is they are the same, I dont know that they offer two styles. Dont get too caught up in a name, find one that fits they all do the same thing. "Records" have beet set with both 3" and 3.5" You can also still make a ton of power just removing the secondaries. I run a 5.93 60-130 with stock uppers.
on your 60-130 pulls are you using 4wd sport and mdm or 4wd sport and dsc off?
DSC Off/4wd
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my guess is they are the same, I dont know that they offer two styles. Dont get too caught up in a name, find one that fits they all do the same thing. "Records" have beet set with both 3" and 3.5" You can also still make a ton of power just removing the secondaries. I run a 5.93 60-130 with stock uppers.

Wat tune ? Wat fuel ?
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Wat tune ? Wat fuel ?
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