06-25-2008, 05:48 PM | #1 |
Major
337
Rep 1,149
Posts |
Learning Web Programing
Hey guys, I'm trying to learn web development (Coding, XHTML, XML, CSS) but don't know where to start. I know how to design well but I'm still in the stone age when it comes to programming (still using tables). Anyone know any good DVDs or Books i should get? Or may be classes in the Los Angeles area?
|
06-25-2008, 05:51 PM | #2 |
Banned
840
Rep 46,029
Posts |
www.w3schools.com
i dont know how deep u wanna get into it. w3schools is a source i still use all the time even tho i been a web programmer for ages. it's just like having an awesome notebook. using tools like dreamweaver, or visual studio help u a lot with dragging/dropping controls (wysiwyg + bugs lol) u drive stick so i think ur intelligent enough to survive without books/school and all that hassle. if u have questions post here and i'll try to answer as much as i can. i'll subscribe to this thread |
Appreciate
0
|
06-25-2008, 06:02 PM | #3 |
Major
337
Rep 1,149
Posts |
Lol @ the driving stick analogy I'll take a closer look at the site you posted once I'm done with work. it looks like its filled with tons of info. Dreamweaver came with my CS3 Design CD so i guess I'll use that. Have you ever looked at the Lynda.com DVDs? Are they worth it?
|
Appreciate
0
|
06-25-2008, 06:04 PM | #4 | |
Banned
840
Rep 46,029
Posts |
Quote:
yah w3schools is like groups of tutorials for everything u need. just start with HTML. might find it boring at first. the way i learn shit is i install software, start a new project and keep playing until im stuck. when im stuck i ask my friend google |
|
Appreciate
0
|
06-25-2008, 06:10 PM | #5 | |
Major
337
Rep 1,149
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
06-25-2008, 07:03 PM | #9 |
Colonel
337
Rep 2,253
Posts |
If you are serious about web development you should be learning: XHTML, CSS, PHP, MySQL or PostgreSQL, Javascript - in that order.
Any books from http://www.wrox.com will be helpful material. Start with the beginner versions. Writing all your code from scratch and not using point/click helper applications such as Dreamweaver will also be one of the best decision you can make starting off. |
Appreciate
0
|
06-25-2008, 11:27 PM | #10 |
Major
337
Rep 1,149
Posts |
Okay quick question to you guys.. What do I need to learn that controls the layout of the site. Seems like CSS is mostly the text and stuff and Xhtml is html but stricter lol. So how do you code the layout of the site without using tables?
|
Appreciate
0
|
06-25-2008, 11:40 PM | #11 | |
Colonel
337
Rep 2,253
Posts |
Quote:
If you are familiar with designing a site in tables, CSS is going to be a difficult concept for you to grasp at first. I would search for online articles that specifically deal with you how to accomplish table techniques using more modern div/css techniques. I also still heavily recommend any WROX published book you can get your hands on. They have the popular ones at Barnes & Noble, Borders, etc... These validators will be your friend while learning and a coder will always try to write valid code even though sometimes it is not possible. http://validator.w3.org/ http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ |
|
Appreciate
0
|
06-26-2008, 02:03 AM | #12 |
Major
337
Rep 1,149
Posts |
So you make an index page that is an xhtml document, then you have your elements in there which are all controlled by CSS? Like your banner and stuff all depend on CSS to give their positioning info? I'll check out the books at Barnes and Noble tomorrow to see what they have. I wish i never learned the tables technique! Almost every site i looked at today did not use tables..
Did any of you guys start with tables and move to CSS? If so any tips for me? |
Appreciate
0
|
06-26-2008, 02:37 AM | #13 |
First Lieutenant
51
Rep 321
Posts |
This sounds lame, but this is what I've done:
1. go to www.amazon.com 2. Search on specific subject 3. Find book with best reviews 4. Buy. It helps to have a background in the computer sciences, but isn't necessary (if you're going the programming route, php, asp, js, etc.) |
Appreciate
0
|
06-26-2008, 03:18 AM | #15 | |
not a poof
26
Rep 115
Posts |
Quote:
I was an IT major (e-commerce) in college, but don't really dabble much in it anymore since I got a job, but I have some web based business ideas that are currently coming to fruition. I did almost all the design myself and have current students from my alma mater doing the coding... they are extremely talented, and the websites are very dynamic and "Web 2.0", but what people comment on and notice is the design. It's what sets it apart. I know guys who are absolutely brilliant coders, but they're stuck in a cubicle doing what the design oriented developers tell them to do. Site design would obviously be nowhere without the people who can code it to do what you want, but in the end you're not going to go anywhere. Anyway, thats my 0.2 cents. You can PM me with any coding questions you have and I can probably help you out, or at the very least know someone who can.
__________________
2013 Monte Carlo Blue X5M | Active Autowerkes Software | Vorsteiner Vented Race Hood (soon) | K&N Filters
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
06-26-2008, 08:14 AM | #16 |
Major General
552
Rep 6,563
Posts |
Sort of in the same boat as OP, I am a programmer (cobol, jcl, C) and I just tried getting my feet wet on web development. I am having a hard time with conceptual web design. My first biggest problem is the initial designing and visually picturing how I want my web to look (layout) and flow. Then my other problem is that web development has a mixture of html, xml, javascript, and coldfusion (if you use coldfusion) all mixed into a single program. And I still do not understand css and how I can use it to help makes my web application more efficient to maintain. I assumes that css controls the look of a web application and using css will help you make quick changes to the way a web application looks because you only have to make changes to the css later on .
I have not given up yet, I just need more time to read and do more coding. I am not used to "tag" either coming from regular programming .
__________________
under construction! |
Appreciate
0
|
06-26-2008, 12:23 PM | #18 |
Major
337
Rep 1,149
Posts |
I've been designing sites and giving it out to other people to do the coding. I want to learn to do everything on my own so I wont relay on people. I agree for the most part that the design is more important than the code. You just gotta know photoshop really well and look at different web 2.0 sites to get an idea of what yours should look like.
|
Appreciate
0
|
06-26-2008, 12:41 PM | #20 |
Grand Am Timing Official
11
Rep 162
Posts |
__________________
18 Ford Raptor SuperCrew 802A black on black
08 E92 M3 AW 6MT with Macht Schnell 75mm stud kit, RE-71R's 255/275, M3 Edition black grills, ZCP rear spoiler, exhaust mod |
Appreciate
0
|
06-28-2008, 12:24 PM | #22 |
Major
337
Rep 1,149
Posts |
woooot I made the homepage using xhtml, css, and a little bit of Java that comes with dreamweaver. I kept getting stuck so this simple page took me an hour to make lol. Wanna take a look at the code and tell me if it looks good?
www.bhdart.com |
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|