ATS-V vs M3/M4

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

With NAIAS 2014 only few days away ... are there any informations when the ATS-V would be released ?

There are conflicting reports out there, but I believe they are planning just the standard ATS coupe reveal for Detroit. We should expect the V (probably both coupe and sedan together) to drop at a major US auto show sometime this year, however. My guess is something this season (before summer), so that leaves Chicago and New York.

Of course, they may surprise at NAIAS too.

And what kind of engine (NA V8, V6TT or V8TT) it get finally ?

Unknown, but everything I've seen is pointing toward the turbocharged V6 right now. I think the CTS-V will be the one with the FI V8.

Originally Posted by dhoggm3

ATS is too small for me - CTS too big. M3 should be juuuuust right.

Interesting - I didn't realize there was an appreciable difference in size between the ATS sedan and 3 Series. I'll have to look at the numbers closer.

[LDSM]

I think the ATS-V will be a great performer and give the M3/M4 a run for it's money. It might even out perform it.

But the reason it won't stand out is the styling, both interior and exterior

The ATS still suffers from that "old" Cadillac image, and that's mostly who I see buying the ATS. They broke away from this more with the CTS, but it still has that "old persons car" look, especially in the rear.

For the next gen ATS they need to go all out, if they want younger consumers they need to offer a car they want to be seen in, instead of hedging their bets with styling that's one foot in, one foot out.
I understand Cadillac is scared to lose their older consumers, but if the ATS isn't intended for them, they take more risk with the design, especially with the next gen.

[Ash Williams]

While I really respect what Cadillac is doing as a company, and definitely have high respect for their new crop of cars, I just couldn't live with myself saying I drive a Cadillac. Hopefully they can turn their image around.

[w3rkn]

I do not like the interior styling of the current Cadillacs. The center stack and the touch-enabled buttons are too much, & way over done (ostentatious).
Volume knob anyone..?

But, the ATS is a better car than the 3-series, just too bad the interior is meant for frilly Americans. Less, I would be REALLY interested in a lightweight ATS-V. Even though the ATS is a better car, I prefer BMW's spartan interior and the reason I keep on buying them. Perhaps the new ATS will go a different route for interior?

[BlackLight]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

...
The BMW image is embedded in the collective psyche...
So BMW has a significant advantage...
For our customers they know what a BMW is and it is their choice...

The problem is that the image BMW has build during the last 50 years of innovation and having exceptional M-cars is being eroded and has disappeared in some cases. If the M-version of a series car loses its comparisons in all magazines, the customer is being told that the values of yesteryear, that made them buy lesser models, are no more.

In my view, the M5 is a flop. And I am scared the same philosophy has been followed for the M3/4. I am waiting with my next purchase to see and test-drive it first, but not in anticipation, more likely in dread.

[Ash Williams]

Originally Posted by BlackLight

The problem is that the image BMW has build during the last 50 years of innovation and having exceptional M-cars is being eroded and has disappeared in some cases. If the M-version of a series car loses its comparisons in all magazines, the customer is being told that the values of yesteryear, that made them buy lesser models, are no more.

In my view, the M5 is a flop. And I am scared the same philosophy has been followed for the M3/4. I am waiting with my next purchase to see and test-drive it first, but not in anticipation, more likely in dread.

The base F10 line was as much of a flop as the M5. Likely the shortcomings of the base car contributed to the shortcomings of the M5, especially considering that the F10 M5 wasn't as different from a normal 550i than most had hoped.

Given that the new 3/4 series has had a slightly warmer reception than the F10, hopefully we're at a better starting point. Also BMW is claiming that the new M3/4 will be a large departure from the base models, so hopefully that's true.

[BlackLight]

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...65-3-roa1013-3

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...onclusion.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...onclusion.html

[BMW M3 CRT]

First video of the new ATS-V coupe:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11405127...rst-time-video

Why no one considers the all new Cadillac 4.5ltr.V8TT als logical engine choise for the ATS-V if they will go to >500hp ???

[swanson]

[Crnamacka]

Originally Posted by swanson

[savaho]

Can't wait to see it when it debuts.

[M3WC]

Just for sh*ts and giggles, I hope this thing runs a quicker ring time than the M3/M4.

[swanson]

Originally Posted by Crnamacka

[swanson]

Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC

Just for sh*ts and giggles, I hope this thing runs a quicker ring time than the M3/M4.

I bet it will.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by swanson

I bet it will.

ill take that bet, though I bet the ats will be quick.

whats the word on the tech / powerplant on this bad boy? or is it too early to know?

[/// M sa]

It will be quicker and sound better but it's still ugly

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

ill take that bet, though I bet the ats will be quick.

whats the word on the tech / powerplant on this bad boy? or is it too early to know?

Heavily rumored to be a 3.6L TT V6. No rumors of AWD, though it would be something else if they sprung that on us, yeah?

[consolidated]

Body control looks solid, not doubt it's fast but looks like it handles also. Transitions are impressive and driver is braking deep and trailing and the car is NOT sliding everywhere, sign of confidence. GM is putting out some great products.

I just don't identify with the brand, at all. The new Escalade looks like a cartoon of a supersized, overdone American SUV.

[LSs1Power]

If it has the CTS Vsport twin turbo, that would be a great engine. It dyno'd 458whp and 511wtq with only a tune. The ATS-V will most likely have a slightly better intake and exhaust system over the CTS Vsport so it would make even more power.
Dyno link http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2zjfarp&s=5

[J50]

Cool....when is it coming out? That car has been talked about for awhile now.

Wonder how it would sell, the regular ATS hasn't been doing so great.

[BMW M3 CRT]

Whats about the all new and completly new developed 4,5ltr.V8TT as an engine for the ATS-V ... could this be the reason, why this sport model of the ATS comes so late !?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

Whats about the all new and completly new developed 4,5ltr.V8TT as an engine for the ATS-V ... could this be the reason, why this sport model of the ATS comes so late !?

Zero chance for the ATS-V. Small chance it will be used in the CTS-V though.