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lemetier Any idea if the chrome on the door handles will be an "option" in the ordering guide or will we have to go through BMW Individual to get the full body colored door handles like in the 1st edition?
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08-25-2017, 11:05 AM | #201 | |
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I can't check until later but I recall the First Edition shown in the photos and used for the launch has those handles because it's either missing an "option" that's standard pretty much everywhere or was built with a singlular market Control in place. What exterior color(s) are you considering and with or without Executive Package? Can post up something to keep ya busy. |
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08-25-2017, 11:25 AM | #202 | |
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Another thing, I notice there are no headlight washers in the pictures, what is the deal with those now? I know on the porsche forums certain models for the US market no longer require headlight washers with the newest LED technology but however they still require them in Europe. These have long been a massive waste in the US for years and would be great if they are finally going away. Is there official word on tire size as well? Hoping for 295s in the rear from the factory.... But my guess is 285s for now and Competition Package with new wheels will be 275/295 combo. Also offset specs on the 706M's would be helpful too, I think the F10 spec 343M wheels in black would look fantastic on this car if they fit. Last edited by somer; 08-25-2017 at 11:34 AM.. |
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Headlamp Washers should be a thing of the past in most, if not all markets. No comment as of this moment on tire size for several reasons. Regarding F10 wheels however, they will not fit the F90 as the bolt pattern is now 5x112 CB 66.56.i |
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The F10 had a 83 L tank? What size would an F150 have?
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08-25-2017, 10:47 PM | #206 |
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Why are people so hung up about the fact that the new M5 will not have a DCT? The 8 speed seems pretty damn quick to me. Dare I say, quicker than the DCT in the now older M5.
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08-28-2017, 08:48 AM | #209 |
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Quickness is one thing, but sense of connection is another. I'm afraid the new torque converters are not as rev happy as the DCT counterpart shown due to its mechanical max rpm limitation and much heavier rotating mass. I'd like to refrain from commenting on how it drives but based on my experience on the same tranny as F90 M5, shifts will most likely feel very numb especially on downshifts.
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08-30-2017, 11:04 AM | #210 | |
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A DCT car has a flywheel (double mass for the S63 engine) and the twin clutch assembly. Which added together weighs roughly (weight of flywheel from Realoem.com):
An automatic transmission car with torque converter has the flexplate and torque converter assembly. Which added together weighs roughly (weight of flexplate from Realoem.com):
So, not a whole lot of difference in rotating mass and inertia between the two different systems. Yes, transmission fluid inside the converter also adds to the inertia of that system, I'll agree to that. But the systems aren't night and day apart in inertia. Factor in all the other rotating masses and the percentage in weight difference becomes pretty small. However it's clear from the rev counter videos that the redline/shiftpoints have been lowered compared to the F10 M5. And that is certainly most likely due to the rpm limitations of the ZF8. |
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This is going to be a hot topic in regards to the transmission choice and reasons given for dropping DCT in lieu of a Planetary Box. |
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08-30-2017, 12:45 PM | #213 |
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I also think the updated Flying Spur V8 S, once launched on the new platform, will be a likely overlooked potential lease alternative to the F90. |
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09-06-2017, 10:47 AM | #217 |
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lemetier Are press car reviews coming out soon? I'm watching this Joe Achillies video and he's talking about an embargo'd car him and his friend are reviewing with PS4S tires this week. Gotta assume he means the M5. Logical guess is embargo would lift the week of the 17th of September after the Frankfurt motor show next week.
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In all honesty, this DCT vs torque converter discussion seems elementary to me to be honest. For all of you anti-ZF8 arguers, have you driven the F85? Not apples to apples, but at least it's the S63TU mated to the same ZF8 box. I can tell you, the smoothness in normal "D" driving is sublime and Sport+ shifts are DCT level quick. No issues downshifting either. After test driving mine and learning it wasn't a DCT box I was shocked.
That being said, this conversation of "BMW (and M) isn't what it once was blah blah" is hilarious. Half of the people saying this stuff aren't buying the car brand new to begin with. The other half are complaining about the car not being as special as it should be. If BMW has to use the same motor for 2 generations of the M5 (f10 into F90) to make sure that the motor works properly then so be it. Look at every other motor they've made specifically to a chassis in the last 10 years. -The E46 had horrendous motor problems from VANOS to rod bearings. Ask me how I know. -The E60 motor is an abomination in terms of reliability and upkeep. New VANOS solenoids are close to $3,000 each right now. -The E9x M3 motor is a derivative of the S85 which was in production for 3 years before it became the S65. I could care less if my M car has a one-off motor, as long as it performs (which it does) and as long as I won't be losing sleep over my motor blowing up (which I think they're at with these developed S63s). At the end of the day, the product we're getting today is a much better all around car than those of years past. We aren't in a scenario where the cars are losing in a straight line to AMG or RS cars, and we still get to keep our handling ability that M is known for. I struggle to understand how people can find a way to complain. End rant. Last edited by supersanj; 01-04-2018 at 03:33 PM.. Reason: spacing |
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