Hear of This: Turbo Tuner

Jeff@Eurobahn.us · 02-14-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atr_hugo

I've moved Jeff's offer of a group buy for the Turbo Tuner to the Vendor Forum - thanks Jeff for making this available to 1ers. Folks the link to the Vendor Forum is here: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4361

My pleasure and thanks for moving to the correct place

!

Jeff
Eurobahn

JOe335i · 02-18-2008, 10:19 AM

the Turbo tuner is a great product.
my girlfriend should be getting her 135i very soon and i will popping in the turbo tuner or SSTT (split second turbo tuner) in right when she gets it.

it makes really good power, and the car is just so much more enjoyable. the install is really plug and play aswell, the onyl one on the market.

here some more info from e90post.

BimmerPost - BMW Forums - View Single Post - Split Second/Eurobahn Turbo Tuner FAQ:

Lester · 02-20-2008, 08:52 AM

Is this device for real? seems like a good deal at $600 - for 40 hp.

Bavauto.com

Make your BMW instantly faster! 40hp and 50 ft-lbs torque gain!
Turbo Tuner Design Features

Enhance Performance by up 50 ft-lbs and 40 horsepower at the wheels
The Turbo Tuner is an embedded control solution that works seamlessly with the stock ECU. It works on demand meaning that once the engine is in boost and throttle position is increased, the boost is increased. This increase in boost builds in a smooth, progressive fashion as the throttle position is increased. The Turbo Tuner is not a boost controller. The boost of the engine is always being controlled by the stock ECU. Therefore, the quality of how boost builds and is managed is completely preserved.

The Turbo Tuner is a true plug-and-play solution that can be installed or uninstalled in seconds by the customer. This is a major step forward in convenience compared to ECU re-flash or hard-wired piggyback controller solutions. Both of those alternatives take considerably longer to install. Unlike an ECU re-flash, after the Turbo Tuner is removed, there is no trace that it was ever there. Unlike a hard-wired piggyback, the stock wire harness is left untouched.

The Turbo Tuner does not change the characteristics of the engine in the vacuum region. This assures that the drivability, fuel economy and exhaust emissions are completely stock when driven with light throttle. Every effort has been made to assure that the smooth and refined character of the car is not adversely affected.
Every aspect of the inherent protection features built into the stock engine management system is preserved In addition, the design features a soft limit circuit that avoids over-boost. This protects the engine from potentially damaging boost spikes. There is also a temperature compensation protection circuit that lowers boost at elevated under-hood temperatures.
The Turbo Tuner is built using surface mount technology and state-of-the-art, pick-and-place automated assembly.
Part Number Description Price BMWTT Split Second Turbo Tuner
$599.95

Thud · 02-20-2008, 09:01 AM

Yes it's real - plenty of 335i's run them and the dyno results tend to show 25hp or so at the wheels. All it basically does is allow the turbo to run at a few lbs more boost.

The Vishnu package will show much higher gains, but it's a bit more involved to install. The advantage of the Turbo Tuner is that it takes 30 seconds to install, and it's easy to remove too (if you're worried about warranty issues when dropping the car off for service).

larryn · 02-20-2008, 09:03 AM

Merging this thread with the identical thread here.

Please search. :smile:

Thud · 02-20-2008, 10:42 AM

Anybody heard if the SSTT for the 335i will plug into the 135i? I guess it would unless there are some ECU differences.

Here's a nice dyno graph of a 335i before and after installing the SSTT:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=29

Sweet gains! But it seems like all the of the ECU piggybacks cause you to lose torque below 2000rpm, due to increased turbo lag from the looks of the graph.

JOe335i · 02-20-2008, 06:46 PM

yes the SSTT will plug into the 135i. Eurobahn and Split Second are installing them in Europe on a couple 135i's. and they both have orders for there 135i's already.

no tune i kno of right now will make u lose TQ below 2k rpm, but in the specific dyno u have choosen, the operator started later on the throttle than the other dyno run made. dont forget that translating 300ftlb @1500rpm to a dyno is not gonna be the same number or at the same RPM.
and if anyone is interested here is the whole thread on the before and after dynos.

e90 Steptronic Dyno Results: STOCK vs. SSTT/K&N - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum - E90Post.com

also, if u read the link i attached in my last post u will see all the info u need about the SSTT. it raises boost by 3psi while still adjusting a richer AFR and keeping all the OEM safety features.

Thud · 02-20-2008, 06:48 PM

That's good news. SSTT is pretty much a no-brainer for these cars then!

JOe335i · 02-20-2008, 06:54 PM

yea there a bunch of info on e90post.com about it.
ive been running mine for about 7k miles now with no problems at all. i also just put in a drop in K&N, which def helped throttle response.

the SSTT is really easy to install which i think is the biggest advantage for dealer visits and keeping a piece of mind for yourself. takes me about 1 minute to remove and install. and it cant be traced once removed at all

here is a DIY from e90post
cant wait to get my hands on the 135i haha

DIY: Eurobahn/Split Second Turbo Tuner - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum - E90Post.com

mikeo · 02-20-2008, 07:34 PM

SSTT install on the 135i requires working from the bottom of the car instead of up top due to limited space. Gaining access from the bottom requires removal of the aero-pan in front. So it is not a 1 minute job on the 135. But still a good product and worth a little effort to install.

JOe335i · 02-20-2008, 07:44 PM

yea^ i forgot to add that. good catch, but im sure some will still just remove the airbox and its three gromments to get to the TMAP sensor which most likely be easier. again with aswell removing the two wirebands frist

J-Sud · 02-21-2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by aus

Dude, it's the safest piggyback out there. Many dealer's sell it.
You can get even better gains from the JB2 for less. Many have used it without problems. http://www.burgertuning.com/
I just hope there are no pissing contests here between Shiv and Terry.

I agree. Also more people need to read e90post.com on this forum they have a plethora of information on tuning all of which applies to the 135i.

IMO JB2 is the best price for performance out there. Cheaper than the SSTT and makes more power. Just my $ 0.02.

-Jon

JOe335i · 02-21-2008, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-Sud

I agree. Also more people need to read e90post.com on this forum they have a plethora of information on tuning all of which applies to the 135i.

IMO JB2 is the best price for performance out there. Cheaper than the SSTT and makes more power. Just my $ 0.02.

-Jon

the JB2 but does not make more power. there equal in power and in real world DRAG type racing. if u search i myself even did a TUNE racing day. the sstt and jb2 cars did 4 runs, rolls and digs and were all equal. other than being cheaper it has no advantage over the sstt, inlcuding that the SSTT was the sema winner and eurobhan and Split Second have years of tunning experience with bmws and other cars put them ahead of JB anyday.

J-Sud · 02-21-2008, 11:04 PM

but you have to remember that for $15 you can add a Hot Pill and make more power and $99 gets you the "R" switch and its still cheaper than the SSTT with more power.

JOe335i · 02-22-2008, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-Sud

but you have to remember that for $15 you can add a Hot Pill and make more power and $99 gets you the "R" switch and its still cheaper than the SSTT with more power.

very true, but running those have to be in either very cold weather or with 97+octane. the SSTT2 should be coming out soon to compete.

it is still hard to ditch the fact the SSTT has nothing to do with the ECU wires and gives u a peice of mind if for warranty times. the plug and play is just a amazing feature, even tho u may pay more for it.

J-Sud · 02-22-2008, 09:30 AM

true. Im curious to see what power it makes. Because atm....im leaning towards the JB2H because i run 93 oct. which should be ok with the "hot pill" year around. But my mind might change once the sstt2 comes out.

ARES45 · 02-22-2008, 10:19 AM

Is the JB2 plug and play as well?

JOe335i · 02-22-2008, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARES45

Is the JB2 plug and play as well?

no, you will need to access the ECU and remove wires and install it into the jb2 in order to operate.

silvrevo · 02-22-2008, 02:01 PM

better bet is found here

www.n54tech.com

enjoy,,,,,,,,,, and I can reccommend the JBs2R!!!!!!!!! wow.

ersatzS2 · 02-22-2008, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aus

Dude, it's the safest piggyback out there. Many dealer's sell it.
You can get even better gains from the JB2 for less. Many have used it without problems. http://www.burgertuning.com/
I just hope there are no pissing contests here between Shiv and Terry.

Wow I'm just getting back into the world of turbo cars after a haitus of 10 yrs A lot has changed! After a quick glance I'm betting the Turbo Tuner is a very safe mod. As near as I can gather, basically all it does is spoof the Air intake temp sensor to the ECU, such that it will allow pressure to build to maximum (factory stock) overboost levels of 11psi. (per the technical manual posted on this forum sticky) Since this is all managed within the factory map, there is no need for other programming. Pretty clever way to get overboost on demand.

Now, notice that you probably get 11psi for free every now and then in bone stock configuration, such as in high load situations in cold air. Per my earlier post on overboost, 'stock' HP is an elastic number with a turbo engine. You will notice a big difference between a muggy 95F day in August and a crisp dry 20F day in Feb!

From the E92 tech manual sticky:

"At Full load the N54 engine operates at an overpressure of up to 0.8 Bar (~11psi) in the intake manifold"

From their literature:

a average of 40WHP and 40Wftlb on members dynos.
Runs a low boost of about 11psi(+3psi from stock)
Moderate power so you dont worry about overloading the engine and Tranny.

adc · 02-22-2008, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335iM3krai

other than being cheaper it has no advantage over the sstt, inlcuding that the SSTT was the sema winner and eurobhan and Split Second have years of tunning experience with bmws and other cars put them ahead of JB anyday.

Huh? SSTT is a very simple device, just like the JB. (Hint - compare their physical sizes, and know there is no VLSI in there).

I hesitated a long time between JB and SSTT before I decided to go with one of them. IMO the SSTT is in no way ahead of the JB, technically.

The JB is cheaper, and not in view in the engine compartment. But installation requires ECU box lid removal and that takes 20-30 min.

The SSTT is more expensive and visible, but it is extremely easy to remove on the 335i cars. But not so on the 135i apparently, which IMO partially negated its main virtue and advantage.

Let's keep it real, please.

JOe335i · 02-22-2008, 05:52 PM

im keeping it real. this is the first time i ever heard of JUiceboxes. split second and eurobahn have been around for a long time. tunning turbo/supercharged m3's along with a whole bunch of other cars.(if this is what u were referring to)

the SSTT doesnt involve going into your ECU and messing with those wires, this is a very big advantage compared to the JB. there is alot of people who dont like the idea of messing with the ECU wires esp since bmw is becoming and has become more invovled with there tunning eye.

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JOe335i Lieutenant 28 Rep 525 Posts Drives: R32-08STI-e92335i Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AUSTRIA iTrader: (0)	the Turbo tuner is a great product. my girlfriend should be getting her 135i very soon and i will popping in the turbo tuner or SSTT (split second turbo tuner) in right when she gets it. it makes really good power, and the car is just so much more enjoyable. the install is really plug and play aswell, the onyl one on the market. here some more info from e90post. BimmerPost - BMW Forums - View Single Post - Split Second/Eurobahn Turbo Tuner FAQ:
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Lester Brigadier General 295 Rep 3,350 Posts Drives: Join Date: Oct 2007 iTrader: (0)	The Turbo Tuner - For Real? $599 Is this device for real? seems like a good deal at $600 - for 40 hp. Bavauto.com Make your BMW instantly faster! 40hp and 50 ft-lbs torque gain! Turbo Tuner Design Features Enhance Performance by up 50 ft-lbs and 40 horsepower at the wheels The Turbo Tuner is an embedded control solution that works seamlessly with the stock ECU. It works on demand meaning that once the engine is in boost and throttle position is increased, the boost is increased. This increase in boost builds in a smooth, progressive fashion as the throttle position is increased. The Turbo Tuner is not a boost controller. The boost of the engine is always being controlled by the stock ECU. Therefore, the quality of how boost builds and is managed is completely preserved. The Turbo Tuner is a true plug-and-play solution that can be installed or uninstalled in seconds by the customer. This is a major step forward in convenience compared to ECU re-flash or hard-wired piggyback controller solutions. Both of those alternatives take considerably longer to install. Unlike an ECU re-flash, after the Turbo Tuner is removed, there is no trace that it was ever there. Unlike a hard-wired piggyback, the stock wire harness is left untouched. The Turbo Tuner does not change the characteristics of the engine in the vacuum region. This assures that the drivability, fuel economy and exhaust emissions are completely stock when driven with light throttle. Every effort has been made to assure that the smooth and refined character of the car is not adversely affected. Every aspect of the inherent protection features built into the stock engine management system is preserved In addition, the design features a soft limit circuit that avoids over-boost. This protects the engine from potentially damaging boost spikes. There is also a temperature compensation protection circuit that lowers boost at elevated under-hood temperatures. The Turbo Tuner is built using surface mount technology and state-of-the-art, pick-and-place automated assembly. Part Number Description Price BMWTT Split Second Turbo Tuner $599.95 Attached Images
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02-20-2008, 09:01 AM	#26
Thud Throbbing Member 43 Rep 1,433 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (0)	Yes it's real - plenty of 335i's run them and the dyno results tend to show 25hp or so at the wheels. All it basically does is allow the turbo to run at a few lbs more boost. The Vishnu package will show much higher gains, but it's a bit more involved to install. The advantage of the Turbo Tuner is that it takes 30 seconds to install, and it's easy to remove too (if you're worried about warranty issues when dropping the car off for service). __________________ 2014 Tesla Model S 85kwh Previous cars: 2011 335d / Deep Sea Blue / Saddle brown / sport / premium 2008 BMW 135i / 6MT 2002 Z06 Corvette
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larryn Lieutenant General 2148 Rep 10,176 Posts Drives: '97 332ti, '21 X5 45e, '16 GT4 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle iTrader: (2)	Merging this thread with the identical thread here. Please search. :smile:
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02-20-2008, 10:42 AM	#28
Thud Throbbing Member 43 Rep 1,433 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (0)	Anybody heard if the SSTT for the 335i will plug into the 135i? I guess it would unless there are some ECU differences. Here's a nice dyno graph of a 335i before and after installing the SSTT: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=29 Sweet gains! But it seems like all the of the ECU piggybacks cause you to lose torque below 2000rpm, due to increased turbo lag from the looks of the graph. __________________ 2014 Tesla Model S 85kwh Previous cars: 2011 335d / Deep Sea Blue / Saddle brown / sport / premium 2008 BMW 135i / 6MT 2002 Z06 Corvette
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02-20-2008, 06:46 PM	#29
JOe335i Lieutenant 28 Rep 525 Posts Drives: R32-08STI-e92335i Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AUSTRIA iTrader: (0)	yes the SSTT will plug into the 135i. Eurobahn and Split Second are installing them in Europe on a couple 135i's. and they both have orders for there 135i's already. no tune i kno of right now will make u lose TQ below 2k rpm, but in the specific dyno u have choosen, the operator started later on the throttle than the other dyno run made. dont forget that translating 300ftlb @1500rpm to a dyno is not gonna be the same number or at the same RPM. and if anyone is interested here is the whole thread on the before and after dynos. e90 Steptronic Dyno Results: STOCK vs. SSTT/K&N - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum - E90Post.com also, if u read the link i attached in my last post u will see all the info u need about the SSTT. it raises boost by 3psi while still adjusting a richer AFR and keeping all the OEM safety features.
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Thud Throbbing Member 43 Rep 1,433 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (0)	That's good news. SSTT is pretty much a no-brainer for these cars then! __________________ 2014 Tesla Model S 85kwh Previous cars: 2011 335d / Deep Sea Blue / Saddle brown / sport / premium 2008 BMW 135i / 6MT 2002 Z06 Corvette
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02-20-2008, 06:54 PM	#31
JOe335i Lieutenant 28 Rep 525 Posts Drives: R32-08STI-e92335i Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AUSTRIA iTrader: (0)	yea there a bunch of info on e90post.com about it. ive been running mine for about 7k miles now with no problems at all. i also just put in a drop in K&N, which def helped throttle response. the SSTT is really easy to install which i think is the biggest advantage for dealer visits and keeping a piece of mind for yourself. takes me about 1 minute to remove and install. and it cant be traced once removed at all here is a DIY from e90post cant wait to get my hands on the 135i haha DIY: Eurobahn/Split Second Turbo Tuner - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum - E90Post.com
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mikeo Santa Fe Concorso 104 Rep 2,984 Posts Drives: '11 M-sport 328i, '13 X1 28i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM iTrader: (3)	SSTT install on the 135i requires working from the bottom of the car instead of up top due to limited space. Gaining access from the bottom requires removal of the aero-pan in front. So it is not a 1 minute job on the 135. But still a good product and worth a little effort to install. __________________ Santa Fe Concorso - The Southwest's Premier Automotive Gathering.
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JOe335i Lieutenant 28 Rep 525 Posts Drives: R32-08STI-e92335i Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AUSTRIA iTrader: (0)	yea^ i forgot to add that. good catch, but im sure some will still just remove the airbox and its three gromments to get to the TMAP sensor which most likely be easier. again with aswell removing the two wirebands frist
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J-Sud Captain 131 Rep 875 Posts Drives: 2023 M2 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (1)	but you have to remember that for $15 you can add a Hot Pill and make more power and $99 gets you the "R" switch and its still cheaper than the SSTT with more power.
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02-22-2008, 09:30 AM	#38
J-Sud Captain 131 Rep 875 Posts Drives: 2023 M2 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (1)	true. Im curious to see what power it makes. Because atm....im leaning towards the JB2H because i run 93 oct. which should be ok with the "hot pill" year around. But my mind might change once the sstt2 comes out.
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02-22-2008, 10:19 AM	#39
ARES45 Major 34 Rep 1,002 Posts Drives: Join Date: Oct 2007 iTrader: (0)	Is the JB2 plug and play as well? __________________ "Don't run, you'll only die tired" ~ Gunship Pilot
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silvrevo Captain 40 Rep 660 Posts Drives: M235v 6spd Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Location: Location iTrader: (1)	better bet is found here www.n54tech.com enjoy,,,,,,,,,, and I can reccommend the JBs2R!!!!!!!!! wow.
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JOe335i Lieutenant 28 Rep 525 Posts Drives: R32-08STI-e92335i Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AUSTRIA iTrader: (0)	im keeping it real. this is the first time i ever heard of JUiceboxes. split second and eurobahn have been around for a long time. tunning turbo/supercharged m3's along with a whole bunch of other cars.(if this is what u were referring to) the SSTT doesnt involve going into your ECU and messing with those wires, this is a very big advantage compared to the JB. there is alot of people who dont like the idea of messing with the ECU wires esp since bmw is becoming and has become more invovled with there tunning eye.
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