[A Need For Speed]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Didn't someone at BMW M say the M8 could lap the Nurburgring in less than 7:27?! That's 8 seconds quicker than the M5 Competition.

No way. The M8 is a rebadged M6. Heavy AF.

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It's important to remember that that infamous Giulia QV time is the one done by Alfa themselves and not by independent testers. There is something fishy about that time. Alfa have so far declined to lend a Giulia QV to SA/AMS for them to supertest, I wonder why...

Exactly - I'm calling BS on the Alfa QV ring time - the F80 is faster than the QV on most tracks despite having less aggressive performance tires. The F90 M5C will massacre the QV on pretty much every single other track - stay tuned...

[Stealth7]

From the video, it really looks like the gear ratios were not that tight--looked/sounded like the car wanted more rpms or was bogging, etc.--i.e., not staying in the meat of the power band. Could just be my ears!

[AnthraciteOG]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Didn't someone at BMW M say the M8 could lap the Nurburgring in less than 7:27?! That's 8 seconds quicker than the M5 Competition.

Yes Misha timed the M8 during manufacture test days and the car was able to hit 7:29. This is just testing and not even an record attempt. Imagine what the M8 can do with PS4S and record attempt. (GT63 we coming for ya)

[Elanderholm]

If you are going to look at sport auto “supertest” times you have to compare against other supertest times only. Supertest times are always slower, sometimes quite a bit slower than manuf times.

https://www.bridgetogantry.com/blog-...me-is-pr-bull/

“For example, when a manufacturer sets a laptime, they will often spend days, weeks or even MONTHS testing and optimising the car. Their hot-shoe Pro-Driver (normally a real specialist) will be so dialled into the car that any other equally talented (but less dialled in) driver wouldn’t stand a chance. I’m talking about Suzuki-san in the GTR, Dom Farnbacher in the Viper ACR or Marc Lieb in the 918. They’re all here.

You CANNOT compare these laptimes with SportAuto’s SuperTest. Quite often these are standard cars and the only warm-up the driver gets is a couple of laps of touristenfahrten before he gets 10 minutes to himself (1 lap!) at the end of the day.”

“Porsche set a new production car record with the 991.2 GT2 RS with a 6:47.3 Nurburgring laptime. Sport Auto managed 'only' a 6:58.52. Essentially, they are 11 seconds behind Porsche.”

Often supertest times are many secs slower than manuf times. So, unless all the times you guys are quoting are also supertest times (since the m5 is a supertest time), they basically mean nothing.

[phefner]

I was looking forward to their test of the M5C and it hit about where I thought it would. A very entertaining video too. Cell phone and then the bird strike.

Great 4-Door sedan built like a track car. Capable and fun, lot of utility there. You could take the family plus a hound to the track for a day and have room for groceries on the way home. But I've also seen a family of 4 PLUS their hound show up in a Porsche 911 Cabriolet, equipped with Cup 2 tyres. Which was bewildering at first sight, until I saw them tracking. Crazy fast husband and wife. Nuts in fact. But less room for groceries on the way home.

M events have these M5Cs available for test drives.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

Who cares about these times for an executive saloon??? Really.

It's fast and awesome car!

If one or two actually are driven on the track that would be great.

Someone who tracks cars regularly will either go with m2/3/4 comp or maybe m8(I would go with a p car instead of tracking m8)

It's an ego thing. Most people don't even track their cars but knowing a professional driver can lap the car they own faster than the competition that other people are driving makes them feel better about themself. Even though they may have 0 driving skills, the emotional thrill or significance is still attached to them as if it was them.

[dezzracer]

https://carbuzz.com/news/bmw-m3-cs-i...he-nurburgring

Couple seconds faster than the M3 CS. M5 heavier for sure, but also up 150 HP and 2 cylinders. Not bad little 3.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by phoenixbmwlife

It's an ego thing. Most people don't even track their cars but knowing a professional driver can lap the car they own faster than the competition that other people are driving makes them feel better about themself. Even though they may have 0 driving skills, the emotional thrill or significance is still attached to them as if it was them.

Lol. Sad but true. I'm guilty. . I have an M3 CS. I wouldn't say I have "zero driving skills" but I could never lap the ring in 7:38 in it. Not even close. But yea... it's cool someone else did.

[themnmd]

Originally Posted by philip

Why not? That's only 1,7% difference, the M8 Competition has a newer chassis and a lower center of gravity, weighs around the same though.

I don't doubt it . M8C is gonna be one sick car

[dmboone25]

That’s a swift moving barge.

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That’s a swift moving barge.

I took one out a few weeks ago and whilst it was fast, it is a barge indeed. Due to the physical size, not really suited for hustling on UK back roads.

[eau_rouge]

Originally Posted by kong24680

Thats a pretty disappointing time tbh.. The AMG GT63s is 10 seconds faster around the ring and 200-300 pounds HEAVIER than the m5 comp. I don't see the m8 comp being much faster. Looks like AMG has really stepped up its game.

You cant compare the Nordschleife to any other racetrack. The M5 C was quicker around other tracks and has won several head-to-heads against the AMG. I am pretty sure that the AMG had Pilot Cups on or at least 4S.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by somer

Has Pirelli's on it, figure a bit quicker with michelins (5-6secs?)

3.55-3.56 that was a sparrow that expired.

That is a great time for a big sailboat w spinnakers and all.

You can't compare a yacht to a sports limousine. AGQ.

The M3 Comp will likely do this in a much shorter time, other versions of the M3 that will be TS racing or CSL will likely approach the very low 7 mark.

If that car had Michelin CUP2 R, it likely would shave off another 10 seconds. All you hear is the tires squealing and the active sound.

BMW did a great job defying laws of physics.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by Elanderholm

If you are going to look at sport auto “supertest” times you have to compare against other supertest times only. Supertest times are always slower, sometimes quite a bit slower than manuf times.

https://www.bridgetogantry.com/blog-...me-is-pr-bull/

“For example, when a manufacturer sets a laptime, they will often spend days, weeks or even MONTHS testing and optimising the car. Their hot-shoe Pro-Driver (normally a real specialist) will be so dialled into the car that any other equally talented (but less dialled in) driver wouldn’t stand a chance. I’m talking about Suzuki-san in the GTR, Dom Farnbacher in the Viper ACR or Marc Lieb in the 918. They’re all here.

You CANNOT compare these laptimes with SportAuto’s SuperTest. Quite often these are standard cars and the only warm-up the driver gets is a couple of laps of touristenfahrten before he gets 10 minutes to himself (1 lap!) at the end of the day.”

“Porsche set a new production car record with the 991.2 GT2 RS with a 6:47.3 Nurburgring laptime. Sport Auto managed 'only' a 6:58.52. Essentially, they are 11 seconds behind Porsche.”

Often supertest times are many secs slower than manuf times. So, unless all the times you guys are quoting are also supertest times (since the m5 is a supertest time), they basically mean nothing.

Well my internetz expert. By the rule of the internet forum as this above expert opinion.

A Hot shoe driver vs SportAuto super test time. Extrapolating what you said is a time of 7:35 by Sport Auto minus 10 seconds for the driver (who well lets face as you say less than good) and plus Michelin Cup 2 R tires which will shave 5-10 seconds.

Using your extrapolation we arrive at a time of 7:15-7:20 for a big yacht like the M5 comp (spinnaker version).

I mean seriously that is a fast car even in the hands of an auto journalist or a playstation jockey.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by kong24680

Thats a pretty disappointing time tbh.. The AMG GT63s is 10 seconds faster around the ring and 200-300 pounds HEAVIER than the m5 comp. I don't see the m8 comp being much faster. Looks like AMG has really stepped up its game.

If that is true and the C63s will be faster than the M3 w better looks I think I may switch.

[Stratus650]

Originally Posted by kong24680

Thats a pretty disappointing time tbh.. The AMG GT63s is 10 seconds faster around the ring and 200-300 pounds HEAVIER than the m5 comp. I don't see the m8 comp being much faster. Looks like AMG has really stepped up its game.

Agreed

Actually more disappointing for the M8 comp.

With all that propaganda, power, and 4wd, and yet can’t beat a 480hp Decade Old Nissan GTR running on 6 gears only (7:26.70). What a shame

[WarmLuke]

Originally Posted by Stratus650

Agreed

Actually more disappointing for the M8 comp.

With all that propaganda, power, and 4wd, and yet can’t beat a 480hp Decade Old Nissan GTR running on 6 gears only (7:26.70). What a shame

That 7:26.70 was set by a factory test driver so it's not entirely representative and that also applies to the GT63. Sport Auto timed the 2011 GT-R at 7:35 which compares much move favourably to the M5.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

Exactly - I'm calling BS on the Alfa QV ring time - the F80 is faster than the QV on most tracks despite having less aggressive performance tires. The F90 M5C will massacre the QV on pretty much every single other track - stay tuned...

Massacre on a track? Come on, you don't really believe that do you?

[adc]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I look foward to the day when BMW sports cars Lap the ring better than their large sedans.

Very sharp wit. If you’re waiting for the Z4 to lap faster than these, it could be a long wait indeed.


The previous M5 could have overheating issues in a long session on a fast track (Watkins Glen). I wonder if this current gen can take a full session, if so then respect is due.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It's important to remember that that infamous Giulia QV time is the one done by Alfa themselves and not by independent testers. There is something fishy about that time. Alfa have so far declined to lend a Giulia QV to SA/AMS for them to supertest, I wonder why...

Call it what you want but the Alfa was driven by them and completed in that time. It's not like it was made up and never happened. If it happened it happened and there's proof. Just because it wasn't done by maybe a tester you prefer doesn't diminish or take away from it happening.

[M3GymNut]

What's funny is that the driver never even wiped it off during the lap. He was locked in. There could have been a naked woman on the side of the road and probably not even flinch. Nice job.