[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by vtknight

I honestly don't know what you are talking about now. If he is a successful - that is great. I'm not really a cosmetic car guy - so that isn't my thing - I'm a performance guy. I did buy some CF for my all rounder though being fair.

Don't play hockey - but proud of my Country.

I'm sorry

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

I'm sorry

Lol - the only person upset is you. Why would I be upset?
I suggest putting the internet down.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by drew_larson

Cant wait to see the results of CP or dinan M5! Thanks for the information! P.s. where are all the first edition M5's?

Around here

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by DINMANN

Hey guys sorry I know you guys have a lot of questions but we've been busy enjoying the car and making our parts, yes there was 2 fans in front of the car their every precaution was taken we do not own dyno we paid a shop to do it. Those are just our numbers, every one is welcome to dyno their F90 and post their numbers and give more details. We just wanted to see how ours is doing stock, b4 sending it to dinan.
I hope it well do better on jet dyno, any one local to us, is welcome to plan it out and see it live, or bring the f90m5 so we can test other m5 cars together.

Now back to the party, I hope i can, get some nice pics for u all to enjoy.

Me too DINMANN

[DINMANN]

Originally Posted by vtknight

I'm glad you posted this. This platform will definitely be modded - but as per the OP - these dyno's were just to see what the baseline was before sending it Dinan.

His Avatar name is a derivative of Dinan.

So I won't lie to you that the odd results from the tests he had performed "by some shop" makes me wonder if there is a purpose to the numbers generated.

We shall see. But we aren't close enough to truth for it to hurt yet.

Bud, u really over analyzing every single word to make something out of nothing at this point I really think you're trolling level 1000 there is no affiliation other than enjoying their parts on our car. Dinmann comes from our carbon fiber double din we made for the e46 8 years ago. I really don't feel a dyno is relevant to me or any other company other than enthusiast sharing personal results

Let see another enthusiast post their numbers and enjoy the cars for what they are, and I wish you nothing but luck but this is redundant.

Troll elsewhere

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by DINMANN

Sorry for the typo numbers corrected the AWD numbers read higher as can be seen on the pring outs

450 RWHP/481 RWTQ (W/front wheel load)
471 AWHP/509 AWTQ



Mustang Dynamometer is the most accurate and reliable dyno because it provides real-world loading and precise control. According to their description.

Now for bragging rights Dynojet is THE MOST POPULAR DYNO IN THE US. This is why we started with Mustang. I’m sure a Dynojet run will be up soon but for now we’re the first with any data.

Eventually we will run on a Dynojet as well with higher number and for the cherry on top, Dynojet is still lower numbers than the flywheel 15-18%

When upgrading parts it is recommend to dyno at the same place for a better idea of actual increase after each Mod . It will never be perfect due to elevation tempature and humidity and other variables as well as the correction factors.

In the end were just providing our own cars info im sure there will be other people posting soon. I’m yet to see the same car number between machines (dyno jet/mustang)usually it’s one car on one dyno and another guy across the country with the other dyno

Dynojet numbers coming soon.

No they aren’t, no they don’t. Dynojets cane be loaded and are some of the most precise dyno out there.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by DINMANN

Bud, u really over analyzing every single word to make something out of nothing at this point I really think you're trolling level 1000 there is no affiliation other than enjoying their parts on our car. Dinmann comes from our carbon fiber double din we made for the e46 8 years ago. I really don't feel a dyno is relevant to me or any other company other than enthusiast sharing personal results

Let see another enthusiast post their numbers and enjoy the cars for what they are, and I wish you nothing but luck but this is redundant.

Troll elsewhere

Trolling? Lol. I am asking questions that many other people with modding and racing experience have already asked about your dyno pulls on this thread. It's great you are posting your results, but most of those comments are much more criticla than anything I ever wrote. The reason why is the results don't seem to make complete sense. That said - I recognize I don't know for absolute certain if they are right or wrong - as it's just the start to many more dyno results to come. Additional tests will either confirm or deny your numbers.

As I have said since my first post - dyno's are just a tool for before mods (baseline) and after. MPH at the track is all the info anyone needs.

Good luck with your car.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

No they aren’t, no they don’t. Dynojets cane be loaded and are some of the most precise dyno out there.

This is key. Dynojet, Dyno dynamics, Mustang dynos - they are all equally capable. There is no superior dyno. When used correctly and repeated consistently before and after mods - they can tell you what gains you have made.

They are a tool - that is it.

As long as the tool is used correctly.

[Sleeper]

Originally Posted by DINMANN

Hey guys sorry I know you guys have a lot of questions but we've been busy enjoying the car and making our parts, yes there was 2 fans in front of the car their every precaution was taken we do not own dyno we paid a shop to do it. Those are just our numbers, every one is welcome to dyno their F90 and post their numbers and give more details. We just wanted to see how ours is doing stock, b4 sending it to dinan.
I hope it well do better on jet dyno, any one local to us, is welcome to plan it out and see it live, or bring the f90m5 so we can test other m5 cars together.

Now back to the party, I hope i can, get some nice pics for u all to enjoy.

Honestly, I'd recommend taking it to a new shop to get a real baseline completed, or have Dinan baseline it prior to them putting their +0.25HP max gadget on it for $10k. What you have for a baseline now will not help you at all in the future if you actually go the real DME tuning route.

[allmotor_2000]

I am sure the F90 makes more power. I drove behind this car for 100 miles over the weekend and it surely is as fast or faster than a stock F10.

Having said that don’t equate the higher 1/4 mph compared to the F10 to significantly more power. AWD makes a huge difference in those measurements. Having a 2.1s 60-foot vs a 1.7 60-foot all else being equal makes a HUGE difference on ET and MPH. The best test for power comparison would be a rolling race.

Take the 991tt’s - they arnt that high powered but post very quick 1/4 mile and relatively high MPH as well... it’s the ability to put the power down.

We will shortly have 1/2 mile results on the F90 and that would be the best indicator of actual horsepower!

[Brake_Late]

Don't discount Efficient Dynamics either

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

I am sure the F90 makes more power. I drove behind this car for 100 miles over the weekend and it surely is as fast or faster than a stock F10.

Having said that don’t equate the higher 1/4 mph compared to the F10 to significantly more power. AWD makes a huge difference in those measurements. Having a 2.1s 60-foot vs a 1.7 60-foot all else being equal makes a HUGE difference on ET and MPH. The best test for power comparison would be a rolling race.

Take the 991tt’s - they arnt that high powered but post very quick 1/4 mile and relatively high MPH as well... it’s the ability to put the power down.

We will shortly have 1/2 mile results on the F90 and that would be the best indicator of actual horsepower!

Can't wait.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

I am sure the F90 makes more power. I drove behind this car for 100 miles over the weekend and it surely is as fast or faster than a stock F10.

Having said that don’t equate the higher 1/4 mph compared to the F10 to significantly more power. AWD makes a huge difference in those measurements. Having a 2.1s 60-foot vs a 1.7 60-foot all else being equal makes a HUGE difference on ET and MPH. The best test for power comparison would be a rolling race.

Take the 991tt’s - they arnt that high powered but post very quick 1/4 mile and relatively high MPH as well... it’s the ability to put the power down.

We will shortly have 1/2 mile results on the F90 and that would be the best indicator of actual horsepower!

The ET is affected by traction - but the power of the car is trap speed. So I am also looking forward to seeing 1/2 mile results. 1/4 traps are already a good 3-5 MPH up compared to the F10. One mag did run the F90 without AWD and ran a 11.4 or 11.5. Porches are all underrated. Trap speed tells us that too as the TT S is hitting 132+ MPH. Huracan is another - at 132+.

That is why I stick to trap speeds.

[allmotor_2000]

If you hook better and not spin on shifts etc. your traps can increase as well. That blends out on a 1/2 mile....

On the high power RWD cars we tend to feather the throttle gears 1-3 until the tires can grab.

On the right tire and a prepped track I have done a 1.57 60’ and 0-60 on 2.5s in a RWD M5, so I am sure the F90 will drop some nice numbers.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

If you hook better and not spin on shifts etc. your traps can increase as well. That blends out on a 1/2 mile....

On the high power RWD cars we tend to feather the throttle gears 1-3 until the tires can grab.

On the right tire and a prepped track I have done a 1.57 60’ and 0-60 on 2.5s in a RWD M5, so I am sure the F90 will drop some nice numbers.

Yes - as per my post - the extra wheel spin at the tree can lengthen the track and increase trap speeds. If you are spinning 1-3rd that doesn't work however lol - you will lose trap speed. Hooking hard has never resulted in my highest trap speed however but I am on a full slick and hitting 1.32 60's. Even 1.2x this year.

You are also that 1/2 mile evens all of that out - which will be the ultimate test.
My guess is the car should go 155-160 MPH depending on how this car is tuned for top end.

I definitely agree a tire will help of course - I wonder though how the axles and diffs will respond to it. I would by worried about bouncing or in some cases worse - a dead hook. I will of course take this car to the track - but I don't think I will add a tire - maybe a Toyo R888 - but no legit DR's.

If the trap soeeds stay consistent like the magazine tests - 127+ with a 1.6-low 1.7 60' (my last AWD E63S was 1.8x stock - as is my M550ix) - I think you will see a 10.6-10.7 run. Which is pretty amazing for a 4300+ lb four door - 16 foot - luxury GT car lol.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by vtknight

Yes - as per my post - the extra wheel spin at the tree can lengthen the track and increase trap speeds. If you are spinning 1-3rd that doesn't work however lol - you will lose trap speed. Hooking hard has never resulted in my highest trap speed however but I am on a full slick and hitting 1.32 60's. Even 1.2x this year.

You are also that 1/2 mile evens all of that out - which will be the ultimate test.
My guess is the car should go 155-160 MPH depending on how this car is tuned for top end.

I definitely agree a tire will help of course - I wonder though how the axles and diffs will respond to it. I would by worried about bouncing or in some cases worse - a dead hook. I will of course take this car to the track - but I don't think I will add a tire - maybe a Toyo R888 - but no legit DR's.

If the trap soeeds stay consistent like the magazine tests - 127+ with a 1.6-low 1.7 60' (my last AWD E63S was 1.8x stock - as is my M550ix) - I think you will see a 10.6-10.7 run. Which is pretty amazing for a 4300+ lb four door - 16 foot - luxury GT car lol.

This has been my experience as well. Traction off the line gives you a better time but trap speed aren't really effected. With my RWD 335 (e90), I could bog, spin, or get a good launch but my trap speeds were always pretty consistent. Now I didn't spin all through 1st gear but the point is that the traps weren't effected much if any by my launch. In fact a little wheel spin would help.

[MTHX]

Some smoke.... lol

[DINMANN]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

I am sure the F90 makes more power. I drove behind this car for 100 miles over the weekend and it surely is as fast or faster than a stock F10.

Having said that don’t equate the higher 1/4 mph compared to the F10 to significantly more power. AWD makes a huge difference in those measurements. Having a 2.1s 60-foot vs a 1.7 60-foot all else being equal makes a HUGE difference on ET and MPH. The best test for power comparison would be a rolling race.

Take the 991tt’s - they arnt that high powered but post very quick 1/4 mile and relatively high MPH as well... it’s the ability to put the power down.

We will shortly have 1/2 mile results on the F90 and that would be the best indicator of actual horsepower!

hi buddy good seen u again, and thx for the chase

[Powaup]

Could you give some comparables on this same Dyno?

[brianeck]

Originally Posted by machiine

Running-in period limits the revs from going over a certain amount. Running-in oil is used in the engine and diff. The purpose of running-in period is to coat and remove component deposits (shards) etc. Once the first service ("Running-in Check") is performed, BMW reset your service indicator and delimits the engine power completely.

Where are you getting this information from? This has not been proven to be the case for any BMW models thus far. It's been talked about, but there has been no actual validation of these assumptions and there has been no basis in fact that BMW actually "detunes" engines prior to the first "run-in" service as you are calling it. The fact of the matter is that all the engines are detuned - that's what the aftermarket is for. . . The first service has not been shown to alter anything TQ or HP related at this time.

I understand the "purpose" of breaking in a car, but that does not mean that the manufacturer forces such tactics upon you. Again, the same non-fact based argument was had with the F80s and I can assure you that at least from my butt dyno and my roommate with a stopwatch that the car was making the same pulls before and after the "break-in" service. I also asked the techs about it and they said that was basically just a weird myth as well (granted we can agree they don't always know the whole truth either).

If you don't have a basis for these assumptions, I'd kindly ask that you stop spreading "non-proven beliefs" as "facts," as its really misleading for people on here. As harmless as this instance may be its still not good to go purporting fake truths as if they are etched in stone somewhere in an underground chapel in Germany somewhere.

[allmotor_2000]

Originally Posted by vtknight

Yes - as per my post - the extra wheel spin at the tree can lengthen the track and increase trap speeds. If you are spinning 1-3rd that doesn't work however lol - you will lose trap speed. Hooking hard has never resulted in my highest trap speed however but I am on a full slick and hitting 1.32 60's. Even 1.2x this year.

You are also that 1/2 mile evens all of that out - which will be the ultimate test.
My guess is the car should go 155-160 MPH depending on how this car is tuned for top end.

I definitely agree a tire will help of course - I wonder though how the axles and diffs will respond to it. I would by worried about bouncing or in some cases worse - a dead hook. I will of course take this car to the track - but I don't think I will add a tire - maybe a Toyo R888 - but no legit DR's.

If the trap soeeds stay consistent like the magazine tests - 127+ with a 1.6-low 1.7 60' (my last AWD E63S was 1.8x stock - as is my M550ix) - I think you will see a 10.6-10.7 run. Which is pretty amazing for a 4300+ lb four door - 16 foot - luxury GT car lol.

Never mind.. I am not going to debate this.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by allmotor_2000

Never mind.. I am not going to debate this.

I honestly don't think there is much to debate. In most ways we are saying the same thing. You have the WR for an F10 - 9.9 at 142.5 MPH - which is always difficult - being the first to push limits. I have some drags experience over the past few decades myself.

In the end - there is a lot of testing and tuning to come for others (not me) - and testing bone stock. It is a stout platform and I think it has a lot of potential.