[DML]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Maybe because it's a 997 Not a 991.2 . Pretty fair since it's a decade old car lol. The point was what you could get for 100k .

Was that the point? Gee thanks for helping with the obvious So much for broadening the scope

[phefner]

#sad for the M5. Latest and greatest tech and upended by a decade old car with a simple tune. Thing is, that Porsche is at the bottom end of it's depreciation curve. The M5 is at the top and looking to make the cliff dive down.

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by marcvtec

your right it is truly sad, when I go out to dinner with 4 other people and try to squish them in the GTR or 911.
oh heck lets add $1,000usd. do a flash and beat them both while were at it.

The point was that the M5C is new and both the GTR and the Porsche are 10 years old ...and here the new car is choking on dust in all categories to the other two and will be worth 50k in 2.5 yrs. Why? Because the 5 series is not a sports car. It's a sedan. Maybe you can get 1 of your 4 friends to explain it to you over dinner.

Personally, I would take either of the other two over the 2 ton Titanic...uh I mean M5....I know, I know..."It's not a boat...it's a yacht."

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by Graves

I see your point. All comes down to perspective. The M5 Comp might win, but the GT-R is doing it with less cylinders. A bolt on GT-R on e85 is retard quick. 750rwhp GT-R's are extremely quick off the line and top end.

I'd love to have one, but would take the M5. Need somewhere to put all my hoes.

Ps: babe, I don't actually have any hoes.

Bolt on GTR's - and by that I mean stock turbos as some like to state after market turbos are bolt ons - GTR's stay at about 625 awtq because after that rods bend. You could do a higher awhp/lower awtq tune - which some do - but in general - you are looking at 600/600 on average for a FBO GTR (E85 just has a better power curve).

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

The point was that the M5C is new and both the GTR and the Porsche are 10 years old ...and here the new car is choking on dust in all categories to the other two and will be worth 50k in 2.5 yrs. Why? Because the 5 series is not a sports car. It's a sedan. Maybe you can get 1 of your 4 friends to explain it to you over dinner.

Personally, I would take either of the other two over the 2 ton Titanic...uh I mean M5....I know, I know..."It's not a boat...it's a yacht."

At least he has four friends. Tuned versus stock is dumb. A highly tuned Civic will run 7's in the 1/4 and cost less than the M5 CP. I don't want to drive the Civic as my daily. Conversely, I could beat many cars with my GTR and the Lambo/Bugatti/Koenigsegg owners will still likely want to keep their cars (As would I - and I am big Porsche fan for the record).

Originally Posted by Graves

Friend of mine has an Alpha Omega 12. It's insanely fast.

There was only one Omega GTR - that was AMS's test mule. It has been replaced by customer cars (which much much more power). The last Omega was the test mule for my package - the Alpha 16. The new packages are Alpha 9x, 10x, 12x, and 16x (GTX turbos versus the regular GT turbos - so GTX 28's, 30's, 35's and 37's respectively). You are correct that even the old Alpha 12 was quick running mid 8's at about 165 MPH.

[MrMoo]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

The point was that the M5C is new and both the GTR and the Porsche are 10 years old ...and here the new car is choking on dust in all categories to the other two and will be worth 50k in 2.5 yrs. Why? Because the 5 series is not a sports car. It's a sedan. Maybe you can get 1 of your 4 friends to explain it to you over dinner.

Personally, I would take either of the other two over the 2 ton Titanic...uh I mean M5....I know, I know..."It's not a boat...it's a yacht."

A motorbike is faster than both the GTR and Porsche and costs a lot less. Why not just get a bike?

I mean you are right the M5 is a luxury sedan that can seat 5 and the other 2 are sports cars that can realistically seat 2. A bike can seat 2 too. Bike wins!

[N & M]

Car wow seems to enjoy BMW bashing these days. This drag race compares to modified sports cars to a standard super saloon.

Overwhelmingly, this presenter seems love to find ways to show up BMW models over various car tests.

[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by Peter Lichtenstein

That is a Lichtfield modified GT-R with bigger air intakes, custom intake manifold, upgraded fuel system, tuned engine and gearbox, upgraded suspension and it couldn't pull away from the fat, luxurious M5 on the rolling race... pretty disappointing for the Nissan tbh

After initial launch at higher speeds, it really just comes down to a pure horsepower to air resistance battle. Since the M5 and GTR had very close peak power with a similar power band, and I'm guessing they have similar aero profiles, they're basically going to hit the same speeds. All those mods are just to get higher power figures right? 640hp is 640hp and 620hp is 620hp. You can see that in the rolling race, the cars are basically neck and neck with the GT-R just pulling ahead. That makes a lot of sense given the above explanation.

And regarding other commenters saying this test was unfair. This comparison wasn't to diss the M5 Comp. The M5 comp has silly acceleration figures beating a lot of supercars. It's fun seeing really fast cars drag race. No one actually considers this a serious comparison test. Some of you guys need to lighten up a bit. The M5 is obviously the most luxurious while the GT-R and Porsche are more track machines. No one is cross shopping them unless they're just buying a car for image.

[ellipsis212]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

This "test" was not about a fair field...it was about what you can get for 100k...and from that perspective it's pretty sad for BMW that a 10 yr old car with a tune spanks your ass. ...and you can get a lightly used GTR for a lot less than 100k and get the same result.

I mean, you said it yourself so why is it sad that the M5 was slower than 2 highly modified sports cars? It's an executive sedan and zero people buy it to run quarter miles even though it happens to be quick.

[cfm56d7b]

Still prefer M5 for many reasons which make this car enjoyable to drive in very other daily driving situation.

[GOLFFRR]

and with the M5 you can take 3 of your buddies with you for drinks after

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by GOLFFRR

and with the M5 you can take 3 of your buddies with you for drinks after

Or better yet, Golfing, then drinks at the clubhouse at the end of it all.

[EL Jeffe 5]

Originally Posted by Bluesummer

That's it, I'm buying my wife a 997 and mod the shit out of it.

are you thinking about buying huge life insurance on her

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by MrMoo

A motorbike is faster than both the GTR and Porsche and costs a lot less. Why not just get a bike?

I mean you are right the M5 is a luxury sedan that can seat 5 and the other 2 are sports cars that can realistically seat 2. A bike can seat 2 too. Bike wins!

Agreed 100%. This is why I have an R1.

[babaikram]

Originally Posted by 4DRS55

It would be a better comparison if they had a tune on the m5 as others were not in stock form. Regardless pretty impressive for the m5.
That Porsche though

Majority of comments on Youtube supports your position. They are impressed by stock M5c keeping up with heavily modified sport cars

[GOLFFRR]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN.

Or better yet, Golfing, then drinks at the clubhouse at the end of it all.

I like that even better however its pretty tricky to get 4 bags in the trunk that's why I left that out lol

[Germanauto]

I wouldn't expect any better given how it's up against two dedicated sports cars.

But still impressive.

[CarlosM4]

I love the amount of comments from people who have 0 to no understanding of the M5's appeal.

The M5 is meant for people who want a car that does it all or who want a fast and capable car to travel with family and etc. It is not meant for a 911 or GTR owner. It is impressive that it gets cross shoped with this car due to its ability.

I can not afford to have a 911 and a fast saloon (say an S7) and a luxury cruiser (S560, or even a 540iM). If I had this 3 cars I would have twice as much equity invested in depreciating assets (which makes 0 sense). So I just bought a F90 M5 which does the job pretty well and I know well its cost of ownership. Plus I can take the kids to school in Efficiency and go to work in full Sport Plus

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

Agreed 100%. This is why I have an R1.

Stock for stock - even the 720S will be challenged by most liter bikes.
That said - beating liter bikes once modded isn’t that challenging. Even S1000RR’s - which are quicker and faster than most liter bikes - HP4 - even the H2R which was taken down by an Alpha 12 equivalent GTR. Yes - there is no question price differences are beyond substanal - but it’s tough from a traction and rider quality perspective to get higher and higher power down. Bikes are still the best performance buy for the dollar by a huge margin.

My friend Fadi raced a 400+ whp turbo busa - with his UGR 2R setup (his car made 1800+ awhp - making my 1600+ awhp setup seem quite slow) - and it is an epic race. Both are friends - and the Bike beat Fadi when he was a stage 3 UGR car (about 1100 awhp) - so after Fadi returned with his upgrades - the Bike turned up the boost and they went at it. Great race.

In the end - there is always something quicker and faster than you.

[Padfan9]

Originally Posted by Mani59

How did the m5 lose so badly? I thought it ran a 3.2s 0-60?

[///3dkn]

Originally Posted by Brasko

Love the M5, but I'd take that Porsche Turbo S regardless of performance.

This! All day and any day I'd take that Turbo S over the other two!

[Phatcat]

We don't need to overreact to videos like this. I just view those videos as a good barometer of what kind of results one might expect out there on the streets, where you are not always going up against cars in the same segment.

[surewin]

The real test would put all three cars for a lap around a circuit. The Porsche and GTR would leave the BMW far behind there.