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      03-09-2019, 01:33 AM   #23
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I had the opportunity to drive the "normal" M5 two days ago. I was in the same dilemma... regular vs. comp... steel brakes vs. CCB...

I got everything explained at a BMW Brand Experience Center and then drove the regular M with steel brakes for about an hour.

IMHO the CP and CCB are not worth it unless you are several times a year on the track and want to get the most out of your M5.

The steering, the suspension, the drivetrain, the chassis... everything just felt so well balanced, perfectly tuned.

Thus I decided to not go for the CP and will also let go of the CCBs.

I'd like to keep the firm but comfortable suspension.
Actually, CCBs are good if you DONT track the car. They'll last longer than the car for everyday use. On the track they'll last maybe slightly longer than steels. Then enjoy a 10-15k minimum brake job. Most track guys swap the CCBs to steels for the track.
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I had the opportunity to drive the "normal" M5 two days ago. I was in the same dilemma... regular vs. comp... steel brakes vs. CCB...

I got everything explained at a BMW Brand Experience Center and then drove the regular M with steel brakes for about an hour.

IMHO the CP and CCB are not worth it unless you are several times a year on the track and want to get the most out of your M5.

The steering, the suspension, the drivetrain, the chassis... everything just felt so well balanced, perfectly tuned.

Thus I decided to not go for the CP and will also let go of the CCBs.

I'd like to keep the firm but comfortable suspension.
Actually, CCBs are good if you DONT track the car. They'll last longer than the car for everyday use. On the track they'll last maybe slightly longer than steels. Then enjoy a 10-15k minimum brake job. Most track guys swap the CCBs to steels for the track.
Those are valid points you mention and people do it like this.

From the point of view that the car will be a daily driver... what's the point? If I'm lucky the longevity... if I'm unlucky during a tire change or god knows what... it will cost me a little fortune.

The logic, let me buy CCBs which are far less prone to fading and NOT use them for the track... because in case I land in the gravel it will cost me a fortune... is something I don't get... why did someone buy them in the first place?

bBecause they look nice? Because there's almost no dirt to clean off the rims? Because the system is lighter?

I haven't met ONE person who bought them because of their characteristics to track them.

In the end it's a question of money I guess.

As I wrote, your points are true/valid... I hope you also get mine.
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i've got cc's on my z06 and they are absolutely worth the price of admission simply for no dust. I used to laugh at people when they told me this prior to me owning a set. But laugh no more..
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i've got cc's on my z06 and they are absolutely worth the price of admission simply for no dust. I used to laugh at people when they told me this prior to me owning a set. But laugh no more..
T, simple swap to ceramic pads and dust be gone bro ... fraction of the cost of CCB's. Do like the color though.
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I had the opportunity to drive the "normal" M5 two days ago. I was in the same dilemma... regular vs. comp... steel brakes vs. CCB...

I got everything explained at a BMW Brand Experience Center and then drove the regular M with steel brakes for about an hour.

IMHO the CP and CCB are not worth it unless you are several times a year on the track and want to get the most out of your M5.

The steering, the suspension, the drivetrain, the chassis... everything just felt so well balanced, perfectly tuned.

Thus I decided to not go for the CP and will also let go of the CCBs.

I'd like to keep the firm but comfortable suspension.
Actually, CCBs are good if you DONT track the car. They'll last longer than the car for everyday use. On the track they'll last maybe slightly longer than steels. Then enjoy a 10-15k minimum brake job. Most track guys swap the CCBs to steels for the track.
Those are valid points you mention and people do it like this.

From the point of view that the car will be a daily driver... what's the point? If I'm lucky the longevity... if I'm unlucky during a tire change or god knows what... it will cost me a little fortune.

The logic, let me buy CCBs which are far less prone to fading and NOT use them for the track... because in case I land in the gravel it will cost me a fortune... is something I don't get... why did someone buy them in the first place?

bBecause they look nice? Because there's almost no dirt to clean off the rims? Because the system is lighter?

I haven't met ONE person who bought them because of their characteristics to track them.

In the end it's a question of money I guess.

As I wrote, your points are true/valid... I hope you also get mine.
Yeah I agree. I'm fairly certain they were originally designed for the track, but once people realized it'd cost anywhere from 15-30k to replace, they said screw that I'll keep them for daily driving and not worry about brake dust on my fancy rims.

That's just my theory of reasoning.
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I had the opportunity to drive the "normal" M5 two days ago. I was in the same dilemma... regular vs. comp... steel brakes vs. CCB...

I got everything explained at a BMW Brand Experience Center and then drove the regular M with steel brakes for about an hour.

IMHO the CP and CCB are not worth it unless you are several times a year on the track and want to get the most out of your M5.

The steering, the suspension, the drivetrain, the chassis... everything just felt so well balanced, perfectly tuned.

Thus I decided to not go for the CP and will also let go of the CCBs.

I'd like to keep the firm but comfortable suspension.
Actually, CCBs are good if you DONT track the car. They'll last longer than the car for everyday use. On the track they'll last maybe slightly longer than steels. Then enjoy a 10-15k minimum brake job. Most track guys swap the CCBs to steels for the track.
Those are valid points you mention and people do it like this.

From the point of view that the car will be a daily driver... what's the point? If I'm lucky the longevity... if I'm unlucky during a tire change or god knows what... it will cost me a little fortune.

The logic, let me buy CCBs which are far less prone to fading and NOT use them for the track... because in case I land in the gravel it will cost me a fortune... is something I don't get... why did someone buy them in the first place?

bBecause they look nice? Because there's almost no dirt to clean off the rims? Because the system is lighter?

I haven't met ONE person who bought them because of their characteristics to track them.

In the end it's a question of money I guess.

As I wrote, your points are true/valid... I hope you also get mine.
Yeah I agree. I'm fairly certain they were originally designed for the track, but once people realized it'd cost anywhere from 15-30k to replace, they said screw that I'll keep them for daily driving and not worry about brake dust on my fancy rims.

That's just my theory of reasoning.
On point!
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T, simple swap to ceramic pads and dust be gone bro ... fraction of the cost of CCB's. Do like the color though.



true, but i'd rather not touch a brand new set of pads. I probably wouldn't even used 50% of that pad thru the lease life
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T, simple swap to ceramic pads and dust be gone bro ... fraction of the cost of CCB's. Do like the color though.



true, but i'd rather not touch a brand new set of pads. I probably wouldn't even used 50% of that pad thru the lease life
As soon as someone confirms that a quality no dust option exists, I'm going to have them installed immediately.

I couldn't justify the cost of ceramic brakes, especially considering the expensive repair if one cracks or something. The stock brakes work phenomenally well so other than the dust I don't feel like I'm missing out. I also like the blue color with DG.
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T, simple swap to ceramic pads and dust be gone bro ... fraction of the cost of CCB's. Do like the color though.



true, but i'd rather not touch a brand new set of pads. I probably wouldn't even used 50% of that pad thru the lease life
As soon as someone confirms that a quality no dust option exists, I'm going to have them installed immediately.

I couldn't justify the cost of ceramic brakes, especially considering the expensive repair if one cracks or something. The stock brakes work phenomenally well so other than the dust I don't feel like I'm missing out. I also like the blue color with DG.
Being installed Tuesday and will confirm next week after I've driven on them a little.
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I was on fence.. went with CB. Soft Quick stops a couple times at high speed on Autobahn 240-260. Worked like a charm.. Don't regret at all even with price tag. Bonus gold looks awesome with Frozen Silver...
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I was on fence.. went with CB. Soft Quick stops a couple times at high speed on Autobahn 240-260. Worked like a charm.. Don't regret at all even with price tag. Bonus gold looks awesome with Frozen Silver...


not sure if you leased, but yea, when it goes into the lease it doesn't equte out to much more.
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Came across the video that illustrates the handling difference between M5 and M5C and decided to raise this thread from the dead.

Check this video at about 16:40. The reviewer is trying to convey body roll in the M5 base.


Body roll aside, you cannot jerk the wheel like that in the M5C and stay on the road. Even in comfort steering the steering is much, much tighter. It's responsive to the point that it approaches (but isn't) twitchy.

I believe this is why Joe Achilles describes the M5C as a completely different car; because the handling feel is not at all the same. Which is not to say better as tastes vary, but it is a substantial difference between the models that is not just noticeable at the track as I have seen some claim.
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I believe this is why Joe Achilles describes the M5C as a completely different car; because the handling feel is not at all the same. Which is not to say better as tastes vary, but it is a substantial difference between the models that is not just noticeable at the track as I have seen some claim.[/QUOTE]

It is a completely different car, better in every way except when touring, where the Base M5 wins hands down.
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I believe this is why Joe Achilles describes the M5C as a completely different car; because the handling feel is not at all the same. Which is not to say better as tastes vary, but it is a substantial difference between the models that is not just noticeable at the track as I have seen some claim.
It is a completely different car, better in every way except when touring, where the Base M5 wins hands down.[/QUOTE]





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I am not a race driver and don't track. I personally don't see a difference between non-CP and CP except extra 17hp. Its negligible and not worth $250/mo in extra lease payment imo. If the difference was 50hp or more, then it's a different story.

There is a reason why i shopped for a 4 door sedan and not a race car.
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I drove both.. There is a huge difference.. 2 different cars.. I chose Comp.. feels good on long drives or really any time I'm in vehicle.. just watch out for pot holes...
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I believe the point is you are paying for more precise handling. The bulk of the extra money goes toward suspension bits that give you more deftness and control. I would concede that a lot of people would not notice the difference. The comp is made for the driver that likes to drive at 8 or 9/10 when ever possible like me! Is it worth an extra 10k or so? For me yes, for some maybe no and put that to a few mods
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Does the M5C ride rough enough that it takes away the luxury aspect of the car? Mine will handle daily driver duties but I love the looks and exhaust on the Competition.
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I believe the point is you are paying for more precise handling. The bulk of the extra money goes toward suspension bits that give you more deftness and control. I would concede that a lot of people would not notice the difference.
I honestly think it would be impossible to not immediately notice the difference. As several professional reviewers have attested, in terms of handling they feel like completely different cars.

I know that there are people who will read this thread to try and figure out which car will be the best fit for them. All I can say is that they should read as much about the cars as they can but actually drive each before making a decision.

To me, the base model in many ways just feels like a (much) faster M550. Which is exactly what many people want! The M5C feels nothing like a M550; you notice immediately that you are in a very different car. This is why I maintain that the cars provide a completely different driving experience, not a nuanced change that only an enthusiast would notice.

Again, anyone who disagrees should check out that video I posted and try jerking the wheel back-and-forth like that in an M5C and let me know how that works out.
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Does the M5C ride rough enough that it takes away the luxury aspect of the car? Mine will handle daily driver duties but I love the looks and exhaust on the Competition.
If you are on a smooth road it feels like an amazing luxury car. If you are not, it does not.

As someone else put it, it completely lacks the magic carpet ride feel of the seven series for example.

The stiffer ride does not bother me but it does have to be said that it does not really have the feel of a luxury car on New Jersey roads. If you really want to know what's up, drive both M5 models and then drive a seven series. Then drive a new X5 or X7 also for that matter.

Hell, test rides are free almost everywhere. Take a couple of weeks and drive everything. Reading other peoples opinions will only get you so far. :-)

Good luck to anyone who has read the thread this far to figure out which car might work best for them!
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You're right, I do need to drive both of them. It's hard because you don't know what people are used. I have a 911 Carrera S as well as an Audi S4, I need to determine if the M5C will be stiffer than the 911 which i find very acceptable.
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I came from an M4zcp... I went non-comp this time.

I wanted comfort first, fast second this time around.

Couldn't be happier.

Dive them back to back on a shitty road.. only you can decide what's best, for you.
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