02-12-2021, 09:56 AM | #89 |
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I wonder if BMW customer service would provide an answer on a limit to the number of launch controls.
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I guess my mistake. It sounded like you were only ever saying “good luck” in terms of practical odds of winning a case in response to people who were saying that it was morally or legally wrong. It read to me like you were missing the point. I didn’t take anyone as optimistic. I’m certainly not. I took it more as “screw companies who do things like this, it’s worth fighting over bc it’s anti-consumer BS”. I guess taking it that way played into the mismatch of it not making sense to me that people were responding with odds of winning a case and sidestepping the underlying morality/legality. To further support the argument of it being a losing battle, I don’t think this is remotely isolated to BMW. It may even be bordering on industry standard. I guess I’m just going to have to budget for a Porsche next cycle because these corporate hide-the-ball games are beyond unacceptable to me. |
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If you lose and the court finds it's frivolous and imposes legal fees; you're going to lose $2500+ or more per person. Not to mention it will take 3-5 years at the quickest. Good luck. The risk reward is 10-1 with a 1-1,000,000,000 chance if successful. |
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I think we are between a rock and hard place. The only other option is to buy a 911. |
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And yeah... dumping BMW to buy Porsche is pretty much where I’m going. The question will be DD Turbo S vs keep the M5c out of warranty and 3-season a GT3. Last edited by italiabrain; 02-13-2021 at 08:33 AM.. |
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Maybe they can come out with a LC package via iDrive. Pay $600 and get another 50 launches. Premium LC package for $1000 get 100 launches and for $1500 get 200 more launches.
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Instead of all this court talk. Let's talk about a solutions. Maybe coding or reprogramming the tcu via aftermarket. Xhp seems to say they have a solution for 18-19's. I'll be trying it in the spring. Who cares about the principals lol.
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02-12-2021, 10:11 PM | #103 |
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What about the 2021 and 2020 models?
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02-13-2021, 08:07 AM | #104 |
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Truly is a shame that it is embedded and not front end disclosed. At least I knew up front I could only do 2-3 launches in a row before I had to let it cool off. M5 was the best saloon I have ever owned.
Wife still has a X3MC that will probably hit the limit soon. Very fun ride as is , but will lose that feature. Ironically, I can launch my Turbo S over and over without a cool down or total limit. Holds 5200-5400 rpm, then release the foot brake. I watched a single Turbo S launch over 50 times at a Porsche day at Barber. Was brutal. I would not do it. But it held like a champ. BMW will have to fix this as it becomes more public. Black eye stuff. |
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02-13-2021, 08:33 AM | #105 |
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Many of us still have cars under warranty. I haven't hit my limit, but I wouldn't trade LC for warranty on a car with this much tech.
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Disabling the launch permanently for people regardless of warranty status doesn't work for me. Make the warranty openly years/miles/launches... fine. But if the car is out of warranty and I'm okay with risking extra wear on the transmission I shouldn't have features disappear permanently that were present when I bought the car. |
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02-13-2021, 10:14 AM | #107 |
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After reading how people modify and beat on these cars, I would never buy one used. This is another reason not to buy used. Someone buying a used M5 may very likely want this feature and unbeknownst to them, they only have three launches left.
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02-13-2021, 10:41 AM | #108 |
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That's exactly why you don't buy used cars!! (And why they are 50% of what we pay for new ones)
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02-13-2021, 11:04 AM | #109 |
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Didn't read the whole thread but this has been well known to me since the F10 M5 days. I hit the max on my 13' M5 and then was a little more selective with the 15' M5 never hitting the limit.
These days I don't find myself using LC as much as before as there are few opportunities in Miami .. if I'm first in line at a Red light, and in the mood, maybe but few and far between and probably have not even hit 50 on my current 19 M5C and don't anticipate being anywhere close to 100 in 6 months when the lease is up. Either way, sucks that it is not readily evident to unsuspecting buyers who learn this the hard way or like someone else mentioned, the person who buys a second-hand M5 only to learn LC is rendered useless. This is one of many reasons I would never own a used M5.
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Would it be possible for the dealer, to plug the car in, and see how many launches have been performed, and how many you have left etc ?.
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