[Stephen5242]

Originally Posted by GlazierGlaze

Am I the only person who thinks this is a comically stupid car?

YES!

[irablumberg]

Originally Posted by jninja

I think that's a point. I don't know honestly.. but I guess the Nuremberg times speak to the ability to track it with quantifiable results. I'm not super impressed w the time myself.. but I guess considering that it's a heavy ass m5 it's good.

The M5 CS is 400 to 500 pounds LIGHTER than the AMG GT63s and the Panamera Turbo S, yet both of those are faster around the 'ring. Sadly, this is not an issue of weight alone.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jninja

I think that's a point. I don't know honestly.. but I guess the Nuremberg times speak to the ability to track it with quantifiable results. I'm not super impressed w the time myself.. but I guess considering that it's a heavy ass m5 it's good.

We aren't conducting human trials and subscribing to unethical racial cleansing/purity.

[jninja]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

We aren't conducting human trials and subscribing to unethical racial cleansing/purity.

Lmao, my bad... maybe my spelling lands me in the 'dumb people' pool after all

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jninja

Lmao, my bad... maybe my spelling lands me in the 'dumb people' pool after all

You were on the right track. Both involve Germany. Lol! Just jabbin' at'cha.

[edwinm3]

still not a track car, I bet that thing is brutal on consumables

[adc]

To me, a few seconds over a 13 mile lap is completely inconsequential. Just a few corners out of the 170 total taken a bit suboptimally or some differences in track temps across the landscape and that’s that. And especially when measured in different years.

If you haven’t driven the Ring, please don’t chime in with counter arguments. Instead, make the pilgrimage and truly understand what a daunting place it is…

[werdn]

Originally Posted by irablumberg

The M5 CS is 400 to 500 pounds LIGHTER than the AMG GT63s and the Panamera Turbo S, yet both of those are faster around the 'ring. Sadly, this is not an issue of weight alone.

Maybe its an issue of price alone?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

So is it 676 whp??

AM&S/SA test on a Maha dyno which can measure/calculate drivetrain loss and hence specify crank power numbers.

[Ghostriderf80]

What is weird is that there is no M3 or M4 laptime. Why?

[NISFAN]

Am I reading that right, F10 has more power to the wheels, 500hp vs 480hp of the CS?

Quite some transmission loss.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

AM&S/SA test on a Maha dyno which can calculate drivetrain loss and hence specify crank power numbers.

Thank you.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Am I reading that right, F10 has more power to the wheels, 500hp vs 480hp of the CS?

Quite some transmission loss.

Makes sense, dual clutch and rwd vs planetary auto with 4wd. That was one thing I looked at too and I'm guessing this is why the F10 is faster than the F90 down Dottinger Hohe although the CS is a little faster again.

[e92hunter]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

Makes sense, dual clutch and rwd vs planetary auto with 4wd. That was one thing I looked at too and I'm guessing this is why the F10 is faster than the F90 down Dottinger Hohe although the CS is a little faster again.

That looks wrong or information is presented incorrectly. A stock F90 already pulls on the F10 when compared 1:1 even on a rolling race where AWD matters less. Also dyno numbers show F90s pushing high 500's stock.

Looks like you are comparing kW to HP numbers, when you compare kW to kW there is a gap.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by e92hunter

That looks wrong or information is presented incorrectly. A stock F90 already pulls on the F10 when compared 1:1 even on a rolling race where AWD matters less. Also dyno numbers show F90s pushing high 500's stock.

Looks like you are comparing kW to HP numbers, when you compare kW to kW there is a gap.

High 500 at the wheels? Are you crazy?

This video shows an F10 Competition pretty much exactly the same as an F90 M5 (non comp). I only trust this type of video not the jump start winning amateur vids.

[e92hunter]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

High 500 at the wheels? Are you crazy?

This video shows an F10 Competition pretty much exactly the same as an F90 M5 (non comp). I only trust this type of video not the jump start winning amateur vids.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...no-horsepower/

Also watch this video :

Shows a stock F90 vs F10 with downpipes and no cat, F90 still hanging on and pulling ahead slightly.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by e92hunter

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...no-horsepower/

Also watch this video :

Shows a stock F90 vs F10 with downpipes and no cat, F90 still hanging on and pulling ahead slightly.

That's a dynojet……ok so you mean US horses.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by e92hunter

That looks wrong or information is presented incorrectly. A stock F90 already pulls on the F10 when compared 1:1 even on a rolling race where AWD matters less. Also dyno numbers show F90s pushing high 500's stock.

Looks like you are comparing kW to HP numbers, when you compare kW to kW there is a gap.

Sport Auto had said that F10 is particularly fast in their article. Many old timer thinks the 2014 F10 CP is the fastest of the entire F10 model years. I remember one member said he had a 2016 F10 CP (the same year that I have) but can't keep up a 2014 on a roll, both untuned.

Auto BILD's test on the F10 over the years have also yielded wildly different results. The 0-300km/h times have varied by as much as 5 seconds. Every M5's parasitic power loss will be different, so it wouldn't surprise me that sometimes you will get a particularly fast one or a particularly slow one.

[Namelss]

I wish I understood German so I could have read that. Having said that, RNGKONG sounds like a great custom license plate!

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

High 500 at the wheels? Are you crazy?

This video shows an F10 Competition pretty much exactly the same as an F90 M5 (non comp). I only trust this type of video not the jump start winning amateur vids.

Those don't look "pretty much exactly the same" to me. Looks like the f90 pulls the f10 pretty consistently in that video.

Shawn

[e92hunter]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Sport Auto had said that F10 is particularly fast in their article. Many old timer thinks the 2014 F10 CP is the fastest of the entire F10 model years. I remember one member said he had a 2016 F10 CP (the same year that I have) but can't keep up a 2014 on a roll, both untuned.

Auto BILD's test on the F10 over the years have also yielded wildly different results. The 0-300km/h times have varied by as much as 5 seconds. Every M5's parasitic power loss will be different, so it wouldn't surprise me that sometimes you will get a particularly fast one or a particularly slow one.

BMW made improvements on the S63 for the F90 as a whole (more fuel, better cooling, turbo improvement, etc), you really think power would stay the same? Also the F90 lost weight while gaining AWD and a heavier ZF8 speed. Even guys on the other bimmer forum (boost) have posted similar numbers I quoted.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by e92hunter

BMW made improvements on the S63 for the F90 as a whole (more fuel, better cooling, turbo improvement, etc), you really think power would stay the same? Also the F90 lost weight while gaining AWD and a heavier ZF8 speed. Even guys on the other bimmer forum (boost) have posted similar numbers I quoted.

I'm just going by the test numbers that I see about the F10 by German magazines, I never said F90 and F10 HP are the same.

You are the one calling out SA must had their numbers wrong.