[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by gpdriver17

Yeah, I'd be happy with that too! But part of me would want to crack into the 9's haha. Do you feel like the downpipes helped much? I'm installing a JB4 and BMS Intake on Friday. Trying to decide what to get after that, leaning towards the BMS meth kit.

Just for reference to maybe help you a bit. I think I had a fast car to begin with. These are taking on 1-2 attempts at most on some crappy roads but they are at least comparing apples to apples on my own car.

Completely stock with a 2538DA 10.79

Exhaust and Intake only (no DP's) 2023DA 10.63

Exhaust, Intake and DP's map1 DA2673 10.42

Hard to tell what DP's did because when I did a run on them I was using a pretty low boost map1.

Then Map2 with better DA at 1505 I ran a 10.15

Map6 around 1000DA I ran a few under 10.1

I think the car can only handle so much without DP's as the EGT will get way too high and you need the airflow. However, DP's are way louder than you think. None of the videos you see do justice. I'm probably going to take mine off.

I don't think it's worth it unless you don't mind crazy loud, some exhaust smell and are trying to set records. If not, you can see that limeypride was able to get 10.3's without them and that's plenty fast.

Yes, I agree that I'm very tempted to go get 9's and I'm sure I could with a few tweaks. However, it's risky for a number of reasons that I'm not sure are worth it.

GL

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

Just for reference to maybe help you a bit. I think I had a fast car to begin with. These are taking on 1-2 attempts at most on some crappy roads but they are at least comparing apples to apples on my own car.

Completely stock with a 2538DA 10.79

Exhaust and Intake only (no DP's) 2023DA 10.63

Exhaust, Intake and DP's map1 DA2673 10.42

Hard to tell what DP's did because when I did a run on them I was using a pretty low boost map1.

Then Map2 with better DA at 1505 I ran a 10.15

Map6 around 1000DA I ran a few under 10.1

I think the car can only handle so much without DP's as the EGT will get way too high and you need the airflow. However, DP's are way louder than you think. None of the videos you see do justice. I'm probably going to take mine off.

I don't think it's worth it unless you don't mind crazy loud, some exhaust smell and are trying to set records. If not, you can see that limeypride was able to get 10.3's without them and that's plenty fast.

Yes, I agree that I'm very tempted to go get 9's and I'm sure I could with a few tweaks. However, it's risky for a number of reasons that I'm not sure are worth it.

GL

Good info, dude! Breaking down the progression of mods and their impact (even if not quite complete) is good info for others wanting to follow your lead.

For others interested in trying: note that my 10.33 is pump gas + 1oz per gallon of octane booster yielding a supposed 94.5 octane. My point being that there's more to be had even without downpipes and intakes but I suspect I'm close to that hard ceiling already—maybe a mid 10.2s with race gas.

You do have to tinker around to get these numbers, though—this wasn't plug'n'play for either of us but they're consistently achievable now.

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Good info, dude! Breaking down the progression of mods and their impact (even if not quite complete) is good info for others wanting to follow your lead.

Thanks and I did forget to mention that my first two numbers I posted were on 91.

The 10.42 on map1 was 91 and 1oz per gallon of Klotz

The 10.15 on map two was 1/2 tank of the above and 1/2 tank of 100oct street legal shell

Everything after that was straight MS109

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Yep prob not stock- but like you said your car is tuned. Whats a stock RWS run vs a Stock F90 CE?

Check this shit out by member- obvi not stock but still Hockeytyme

Sure a heavily tuned M5 with race gas on a great DA can be killer . Stock though the M5 is a mid to low 8's car while a RWS is high 7's . I ran my car on a flat slope intead of uphill and ran this . Pretty damn good for a NA tune fully catted car on pump and faster than even some tuned F90's on pump running conservative tunes . E85 RWS tune exhaust can run low 6's too .

[dubd]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Yep prob not stock- but like you said your car is tuned. Whats a stock RWS run vs a Stock F90 CE?

Check this shit out by member- obvi not stock but still Hockeytyme

Beast mode!

[gpdriver17]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

Just for reference to maybe help you a bit. I think I had a fast car to begin with. These are taking on 1-2 attempts at most on some crappy roads but they are at least comparing apples to apples on my own car.

Completely stock with a 2538DA 10.79

Exhaust and Intake only (no DP's) 2023DA 10.63

Exhaust, Intake and DP's map1 DA2673 10.42

Hard to tell what DP's did because when I did a run on them I was using a pretty low boost map1.

Then Map2 with better DA at 1505 I ran a 10.15

Map6 around 1000DA I ran a few under 10.1

I think the car can only handle so much without DP's as the EGT will get way too high and you need the airflow. However, DP's are way louder than you think. None of the videos you see do justice. I'm probably going to take mine off.

I don't think it's worth it unless you don't mind crazy loud, some exhaust smell and are trying to set records. If not, you can see that limeypride was able to get 10.3's without them and that's plenty fast.

Yes, I agree that I'm very tempted to go get 9's and I'm sure I could with a few tweaks. However, it's risky for a number of reasons that I'm not sure are worth it.

GL

Thanks for the info! What was your map 6 setup like? Did you try maps 3 or 5?

I was able to get a 10.2 yesterday on map 2 with intakes as my only other mod. I agree, that's fast enough! If we get some more crazy cold weather I may give map 3 or 5(?) a run though and see what happens now that Terry has said the logs look good.

Sounds like downpipes are a bad idea. I'll skip those. I'm trying to order the BMS meth kit now, not expecting much if any power gain from it though. Mainly just don't want to deal with finding race gas or constantly going through boostane to be safe.

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by gpdriver17

Thanks for the info! What was your map 6 setup like? Did you try maps 3 or 5?

I was able to get a 10.2 yesterday on map 2 with intakes as my only other mod. I agree, that's fast enough! If we get some more crazy cold weather I may give map 3 or 5(?) a run though and see what happens now that Terry has said the logs look good.

Sounds like downpipes are a bad idea. I'll skip those. I'm trying to order the BMS meth kit now, not expecting much if any power gain from it though. Mainly just don't want to deal with finding race gas or constantly going through boostane to be safe.

Nice Run! Yes, DP's are loud but allow you to push more boost. The meth kit is nice and has some advantages. The main thing that would worry me is fire and you can't simply remove it for a service call.

I never did try to mess with map3 or 5 as they would have needed to be tested from start to finish with my 2020 and the firmware that I had that was specific to my car and setup. Was too much work..haha

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

Nice Run! Yes, DP's are loud but allow you to push more boost. The meth kit is nice and has some advantages. The main thing that would worry me is fire and you can't simply remove it for a service call.

I never did try to mess with map3 or 5 as they would have needed to be tested from start to finish with my 2020 and the firmware that I had that was specific to my car and setup. Was too much work..haha

Funnily enough, I've been running map 3 for a few days. The engine's still under the hood so that's good.

[gpdriver17]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Funnily enough, I've been running map 3 for a few days. The engine's still under the hood so that's good.

Its only 1psi over map 2, right? Still a lot less than I've seen some people run...

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by gpdriver17

Its only 1psi over map 2, right? Still a lot less than I've seen some people run...

Nope, it's +3 over map 2 or 25 psi absolute.

I'm trying it for one reason: I haven't before. I'm still in early days of testing and haven't even given it a WOT yet but this is how I learn. Logs seem clean enough so far... WOT will be the true tell and I'll only go there if the logs and/or feel don't make me squirm.

[gpdriver17]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Nope, it's +3 over map 2 or 25 psi absolute.

I'm trying it for one reason: I haven't before. I'm still in early days of testing and haven't even given it a WOT yet but this is how I learn. Logs seem clean enough so far... WOT will be the true tell and I'll only go there if the logs and/or feel don't make me squirm.

I think that's wrong if you're using the latest firmware. I also found out from Terry today that map 2 on comp's may result in higher boost than map 3 with the latest firmware. Map 2 is now additive of 5 psi!

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by gpdriver17

I think that's wrong if you're using the latest firmware. I also found out from Terry today that map 2 on comp's may result in higher boost than map 3 with the latest firmware. Map 2 is now additive of 5 psi!

Correct, it's +5. If you look at your logs you can see how much boost is added.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

Correct, it's +5. If you look at your logs you can see how much boost is added.

I stand corrected, I see the revision note Terry added. Time to try map 2 again.

Wouldn't it be nice if the JB4 app mentioned something when the entire operating basis of a map you're using changes—crazy idea, I know.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by vtknight

^This. I have raced a R8 V10 plus and non plus - from a dig at the track. I consistently beat the non-plus - they were trapping 125-126ish MPH. The Plus I was racing was not trapping 130 - but 127-129 MPH - and I was winning most of those (drivers race). I have the Competition though - and run consistent high 10's at 127-129+ MPH.
Roll would be close as well I believe - but I am shocked to hear the poster above state mid 7's for the Plus? That is Turbo S quick - and I destroy Audi R8 Plus cars with mine. Huracan - for sure - I just have not seen the R8's being as quick as their Lambo counterparts.

93 octane APR tune and exhaust only and slightly uphill with a mineshaft DA . I've had Tuned S63's this V10 is a beast . Low 6's NA with minimal mods is nuts and the sound and feel of this motor can't be touched .

[gpdriver17]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

93 octane APR tune and exhaust only and slightly uphill with a mineshaft DA . I've had Tuned S63's this V10 is a beast . Low 6's NA with minimal mods is nuts and the sound and feel of this motor can't be touched .

That's a crazy low DA... And F90s with a JB4 are running better times than that.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by gpdriver17

That's a crazy low DA... And F90s with a JB4 are running better times than that.

On straight pump gas with only a cat back ?

[gpdriver17]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

On straight pump gas with only a cat back ?

Hockeytyme did a 5.34, up hill, with only bolt ons and a 2500ft higher DA!!! That's a huge difference. Just 1000ft added 4 tenths to my 1/4 mile. Sure the car has more mods, but it still costs ~80k less. Several others with ONLY a tune and pump gas are doing 6 flats 60-130.

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by gpdriver17

Hockeytyme did a 5.34, up hill, with only bolt ons and a 2500ft higher DA!!! That's a huge difference. Just 1000ft added 4 tenths to my 1/4 mile. Sure the car has more mods, but it still costs ~80k less. Several others with ONLY a tune and pump gas are doing 6 flats 60-130.

On pump gas with only exhaust mods I'm running mid 6's. But, with just a few drops of Boostane or race fuel I'm running high 5's and very low 6's. The only thing I have besides an "exhaust mod" is the intake which really provides nothing on this car and the DP's. Howevever, I think limeypride is probably running mid 6's on a 100% stock car with just a JB4.

[Hockeytyme]

This was the earlier this week when I was doing a few runs testing and then trying to put up a good 1/4 mile. Best I got was a 10.05 and it turns out that on that run I had one of my worst 60-130's at 6.27...

Just can't get it all to click at once...haha

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by gpdriver17

Hockeytyme did a 5.34, up hill, with only bolt ons and a 2500ft higher DA!!! That's a huge difference. Just 1000ft added 4 tenths to my 1/4 mile. Sure the car has more mods, but it still costs ~80k less. Several others with ONLY a tune and pump gas are doing 6 flats 60-130.

You do realize the RWS is only 135 k right .

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by gpdriver17

Hockeytyme did a 5.34, up hill, with only bolt ons and a 2500ft higher DA!!! That's a huge difference. Just 1000ft added 4 tenths to my 1/4 mile. Sure the car has more mods, but it still costs ~80k less. Several others with ONLY a tune and pump gas are doing 6 flats 60-130.

Yeah DA def matters , it runs a 6.7 at +500 DA . My point was that a STOCK M5 has no chance against a stock plus or tuned base R8 as it is running what time only M5's are on pump . Of course once you start running race gas add down pipes and turn the boost to destroy your rods level the M5 will be faster lol. Hell I could run E85 and be trapping mid 135's all day long and running 5's too .

[TTHURACAN]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Yeah DA def matters , it runs a 6.7 at +500 DA . My point was that a STOCK M5 has no chance against a stock plus or tuned base R8 as it is running what time only M5's are on pump . Of course once you start running race gas add down pipes and turn the boost to destroy your rods level the M5 will be faster lol. Hell I could run E85 and be trapping mid 135's all day long and running 5's too .

... and the rods will eventually let go