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      08-21-2019, 10:52 PM   #23
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I am doing the switch and jumping to the C8 RS6 as soon as a good opportunity comes by. Love estate cars, and the RS6 is the king of the pack.

Besides it's interior is stunning (a cut above Merc's and BMW's) and it has a subtle refined rage to it, in terms of styling inside and outside. What a beast.

It may be slower, but I doubt in the real world it will make a difference. Besides OPF M5 F90 are much slower as testing has proved, so fack it.

I want a RS6, and I want one badly. There is also a Performance version coming soon. If that comes soon after, with only a slight price premium, I will be selling my kneecaps for it LOL.
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Yeah, if the performance version gets the same HP as Urus, it will be very fast.
You'd assume that will happen. The old base was 560ps and the performance was 605ps so a similar increase would put it right onto the 650ps that the Urus has and of course we all know it is the same drivetrain.
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Agree 100% as the E is boring and a bit sterile in looks. Plus the RS6 has never been available here in the US so the pent up demand has us intrigued to say the least (or at least me).
Replying to both you and limeypride here - I get that it is new to you guys so obviously it sparks some attention but I've been around all generations of RS6 quite extensively and they are just a bit meh to me.

Obviously you, Vic had a RS7 for a while which is all the same hardware as the last RS6 so you what they are like and you've had a whole bunch of AMGs and Ms but out of all of the brands Audi is the one that just completely fails to interest me at all after I've spent time around them. Before I spent about 2 years in and around a C5 RS6 (sedan) it was pretty much my dream car but it just wasn't a great car to take on a drive. They all just seem a bit artificial and try too hard without actually being engaging.

The new one might be completely different but it seems much like the F10 -> F90 transition to me but with even less of a difference as they are both 4wd.
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The performance version of this will be the car to replace my M5C when the time comes. I had a C7 and miss the utility of an estate. I think this looks awesome too - although the silver exterior trim needs swapping for black / carbon.

There were rumours that the performance version will get a hybrid transmission similar to the Panamera turbo S but given the standard has c600 bhp, I guess that jump would be too great and expect a re-tune of just the V8TT to c 650 for the RS6 performance.
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Replying to both you and limeypride here - I get that it is new to you guys so obviously it sparks some attention but I've been around all generations of RS6 quite extensively and they are just a bit meh to me.

Obviously you, Vic had a RS7 for a while which is all the same hardware as the last RS6 so you what they are like and you've had a whole bunch of AMGs and Ms but out of all of the brands Audi is the one that just completely fails to interest me at all after I've spent time around them. Before I spent about 2 years in and around a C5 RS6 (sedan) it was pretty much my dream car but it just wasn't a great car to take on a drive. They all just seem a bit artificial and try too hard without actually being engaging.

The new one might be completely different but it seems much like the F10 -> F90 transition to me but with even less of a difference as they are both 4wd.
I get it Brad, we can't all like all the German brands. Of the top 4 (BMW, Porsche, Benz, Audi) Audi has only been in my garage 5 times with 2 R8's, 2 RS7's, and an S4 back in the day. I enjoyed them all in the moment.

For me and this RS6- the drive feel and chassis/suspension will be the driver and of course the steering response. I have no doubt its 590/590 will deliver the speed and the exhaust is there like the RS7. What will kill me is if the tq steer is excessive. I didnt have that with my R8's and my 2nd RS7 but my first one (2014) really displayed such characteristics. I think Audi did fix the issue with my 2017 (enough). Another thing that drove me a bit crazy was the engine placement on the RS7; it was well over the front wheels. So again, Ill have to see how this RS6 drives and where the chassis is when Im engaging in higher speed big bends and sharp turns.

Its all good talk right now as I hear the car is almost a year out for me.
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I get it Brad, we can't all like all the German brands. Of the top 4 (BMW, Porsche, Benz, Audi) Audi has only been in my garage 5 times with 2 R8's, 2 RS7's, and an S4 back in the day. I enjoyed them all in the moment.

For me and this RS6- the drive feel and chassis/suspension will be the driver and of course the steering response. I have no doubt its 590/590 will deliver the speed and the exhaust is there like the RS7. What will kill me is if the tq steer is excessive. I didnt have that with my R8's and my 2nd RS7 but my first one (2014) really displayed such characteristics. I think Audi did fix the issue with my 2017 (enough). Another thing that drove me a bit crazy was the engine placement on the RS7; it was well over the front wheels. So again, Ill have to see how this RS6 drives and where the chassis is when Im engaging in higher speed big bends and sharp turns.

Its all good talk right now as I hear the car is almost a year out for me.
The torque steer was very prevalent on both of the C7s I drove quite a bit. It is especially difficult here in NZ where every country road isn't much wider than a car in the first place and dealing with the car wanting to pull you to the left so much when under power (then when you lift off seemingly wanting to move the car to the right about 6 inches) was just terrifying when trying to pass people.

I spoke with Lemetier about this and he said that the C7 was very sensitive to torque steer depending if it was on steel or air suspension and wheel alignment.

Agree about the engine placement too and the effect on handling. Audi cars to me just feel like a front wheel drive car with an absolute load of forward traction and that includes the RS3s I've driven which of course are east-west but simply have the suspension tuned that way.
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I agree with points made here but the best was "I want an rs6 ...I really want an rs6"

Honestly I'm in the same camp. You want what you can't have so I have drooled like the rest of you over the c6/7 variants and now that we actually can order one I'm in. Worry being the rs7 I found the ride quality harsh to the m5 but I'm also one that likes the base m5 comfort vs the comp model so with air ride hopefully it isn't an issue.

Biggest plus for me on the rs6 vs m5 is the exterior look, rs6 much more aggressive and that ass! also the paint on my prior Audi's far superior to the m5. Its been discussed here but the depth of color and quality of paint used on the f90 is subpar for the price point. (Did a quick hand wash yesterday and was looking much closer at the paint so I'm fixated on it at the moment)

Love the m5 enough that I won't have to jump into the first allocation for an rs6 but I'm fairly certain it will happen next year at some point for me...if I can get my hands on one of course!
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The RS models in the 6 variants are always cheaper than the M series in the 5 section. As far as pricing goes, the RS7 was the best comparo to the F10/F90 and thats a dead model. I had two and both were clearly more when I got them than when I had my 2 F10's and current F90. My latest RS7 was 150k msrp. You cant even find one F90 at that level. All my RS7's had the ZF as well....

But, depending on the RS6 hp- Im game!!!
Vic having had the rs7 prior did you lease or own? I have leased plenty of bmws over the years but my Audi's were always purchased due to poor leasing options. Buying 100k plus car isn't really of interest to me either as I rather give up monthly vs paying cash up front. Wondering your thoughts on lease with rs6 if the msrp is less than the f90 one would think the monthly would be less or at least close!?
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Vic having had the rs7 prior did you lease or own? I have leased plenty of bmws over the years but my Audi's were always purchased due to poor leasing options. Buying 100k plus car isn't really of interest to me either as I rather give up monthly vs paying cash up front. Wondering your thoughts on lease with rs6 if the msrp is less than the f90 one would think the monthly would be less or at least close!?
I bought both my RS7's. You are 100% right, the AUDI FS leases are horrendous and especially on RS cars where the residuals are shockingly low. Mid 40's would be on the higher side for 36/15k. And their MF's are higher than BMW.. but lower than MBFS and Porsche.

Sadly the RS6 wont lease well as its an.... RS. The current Sportback RS5 and coupe which competes with the M3/M4 segment leases like shit. 36 months at 10k is 51% or around there and a MF well over 2. Whereas in its prime, the F8X had 36/10k residual over 60% and MF's in the 1's.

If you want Audi you will need to buy.... even R8's lease like crap.
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As sure as you are about cars Carlos, this is the MOST sure you have been
Yep LOL.
I almost had a current gen C7 RS6 Avant. I just did not purchase it, because I fell in love with the W213 E63 S, and then the beloved M5 F90. And I can say I have 0 regrets. But now that Audi has really upped the game (the new C8 A6 interior is drop dead gorgeous), and the chassis is probably pretty epic, I am ready to make the move.
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Yeah, if the performance version gets the same HP as Urus, it will be very fast.
Yep, probably 640-650hp with 900Nm. Easily an under 3s car for 0-60, and under 11s 1/4mile.
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Yep, probably 640-650hp with 900Nm. Easily an under 3s car for 0-60, and under 11s 1/4mile.
Gearing, weight, and how the power gets put down will also play a factor here in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile time.
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I don't understand why a sedan version won't be offered; there's hardly a market here for wagons given the SUV obsession.
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I don't understand why a sedan version won't be offered; there's hardly a market here for wagons given the SUV obsession.
I believe the quintessential version of the RS6 is in Avant form. And Audi knows it's not going to be a volume seller here in the US. Thus, only doing custom order has limited drawback for them. Also, I don't believe there will be a RS6 in sedan form, even in Europe.
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Love it. I haven't even received my M5 yet and I'm lusting after the new RS6 and upcoming RS7. No regret choosing the M5 but have a feeling I'll add an Audi sooner or later.

Check this craziness out, 670bhp RSQ8 hybrid: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...-hybrid-v8-suv
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Cheaper: yup, probably.

Just as quick: not consistently and even at its best, not quite. It doesn't like being hot either and convulses between gears when it is.

More power: somebody should let McLaren, Ferrari and Porsche know (to name but a few).
Its definitaly quicker, the 2015s C7 Z06 upshifts faster then the PDK in the GT3. Ive had both cars and honestly couldnt even tell the difference in terms of upshifts.

More power? how many modded Dual clutches outside of UGR lamboes and built GTRs do you see taking 1500 plus hp? Autos have been doing it for years.
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Cheaper: yup, probably.

Just as quick: not consistently and even at its best, not quite. It doesn't like being hot either and convulses between gears when it is.

More power: somebody should let McLaren, Ferrari and Porsche know (to name but a few).
Its definitaly quicker, the 2015s C7 Z06 upshifts faster then the PDK in the GT3. Ive had both cars and honestly couldnt even tell the difference in terms of upshifts.

More power? how many modded Dual clutches outside of UGR lamboes and built GTRs do you see taking 1500 plus hp? Autos have been doing it for years.
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Arch rivals from the very beginning. Now with the new release, I would have to say Audi is really putting it all out there. Even better news that it will be available in the US.

The design is definitely more aggressive. Interior is completely digital compared to the F90. Only knock would be worrisome that the interior with digital tech will feel dated with how quick technology goes these days.

The good news is traditionally RS is cheaper than M, so it's a lot of value right there.

Funny thing to note is that it is an auto and not a dual clutch. Seems all high performance lines are ditching the DCT in favor of a traditional torque converter.

What are everyone's thoughts?
The C7 RS6 Performance didn't drove that well, there wasn't that connection between car/driver/road and that's why people go for AMG/M rather then RS. If it's only acceleration you are looking for then yes, RS is for you but if it's driving dynamics go M and maybe latest AMG because previous ones W212 also didn't have that X factor.
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There must be a philosophical differences when it comes to design road cars between the different manufacturers. Audi have won Le Mans, just as Mercedes won F1, it's not like they don't know how to design cars that handles well or drives well. Audi have always gone with engine over hang/front heavy RS cars (except the R8), it's almost like Audi assumes we all can't drive so it's safer to make cars that understeers.
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Body looks great. Wheels are
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I'm surprised they still have not released pricing yet...
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