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      05-08-2019, 06:34 PM   #45
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Thanks for sharing..
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      05-08-2019, 08:09 PM   #46
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Great review! I am looking at the M8 after our E63s so this helps.

If I recall you are leasing; the mods are easily reversible but I wonder what a flagged engine means for a lease return.

Penalty? Or?
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Great review! I am looking at the M8 after our E63s so this helps.

If I recall you are leasing; the mods are easily reversible but I wonder what a flagged engine means for a lease return.

Penalty? Or?

i doubt there is a penalty, although you probably paid that penalty when you discovered they flagged the motor and you had to pay to fix it out of pocket.
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      05-08-2019, 09:42 PM   #48
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Only issue with this vehicle is that you have to be in Deutschland to drive it as it is meant to be!
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What do you mean by you got flagged for a race chip?
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Still don't get what they flagged you for? Does adding the racechip void any warranty? What did they do exactly?

I have had stage 1 in my f80 for a while and there never has been any problems when I bring it in for service.
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Hold on. What's this flagging of race chips? This is banned? I don't own my car to be able to add a chip?
Here is his thread about being flagged:

https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...ight=quickburn
About time you shows up.
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      05-08-2019, 10:34 PM   #50
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I don't know what it is about BMW or how they do it but every BMW I have had... as you said OP the car shrinks around you.
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      05-08-2019, 10:36 PM   #51
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This is awesome, thanks for sharing!
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About time you shows up.
HUh... I posted in this thread way earlier.
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About time you shows up.
HUh... I posted in this thread way earlier.
I know, I know.
I am the one who is late in reading.

But thank you for including that thread. Clears up the questions on the car flagging.

Meet up on the 18th?
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I know, I know.
I am the one who is late in reading.

But thank you for including that thread. Clears up the questions on the car flagging.

Meet up on the 18th?
Nah, that place is too far and Ill want to stop at all the bars on the way.
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Nah, that place is too far and Ill want to stop at all the bars on the way.
Lol.
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I know, I know.
I am the one who is late in reading.

But thank you for including that thread. Clears up the questions on the car flagging.

Meet up on the 18th?
Nah, that place is too far and Ill want to stop at all the bars on the way.
So? Look at the bright side: you can stop at each one of them again on your way back!
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Great review! I am looking at the M8 after our E63s so this helps.

If I recall you are leasing; the mods are easily reversible but I wonder what a flagged engine means for a lease return.

Penalty? Or?

i doubt there is a penalty, although you probably paid that penalty when you discovered they flagged the motor and you had to pay to fix it out of pocket.
Pretty sure my car will go straight to an auction somewhere after my lease is up so I'm hoping no penanlty.
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      05-09-2019, 04:27 AM   #58
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According to the chip: friend of mine works at service, they are able to detect any interference. I guess that the car's electronic can measure electrical resistance or something. So simple diagnostic computer can not read this form the car but service computer gives them *immediate info about which parts you loose warranty*.
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      05-09-2019, 06:46 AM   #59
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Great thanks for posting
Have you notice any leaks yet on the bottom of the car specific oil pan gaskets
From what I hear it's common issue with BMW
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      05-09-2019, 07:40 AM   #60
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Chipping? Of course it's rendering the warranty void! Racechip adds ~20% torque, meaning that also the ZF8HP75 is overstressed 20% above max design specification. You would need a ZF8HP90 like used for a Bentley.

It's only a matter of time before you'll demolish the drive train. When you would go extensive stretches flat-out: mechanical engine failure because of stress and heat build up by the power is to be expected. When you accelerate full throttle in lowest 2 gears (short bursts), you'll ruin the transmission and potentially the drive shafts and diffs because of the torque.

Proof: they upped the power of the competition (a bit), but didn't touch the torque! Why do you think?
Sorry, but this is not correct.

The ZF8HP75 is rated 750 max gasoline torque per the manufacturer spec. A stock M5 is about 550 torque so 20% more is not even close to max spec.

Aside from that, common sense will tell you that the cars are not designed to run at max stress. There is plenty of room to add extra horsepower and torque without destroying the drivetrain.

Much more important is how you actually drive the car. After all, BMW will tell you that even a stock car can be damaged by repeatedly using launch control.

Your basic premise is of course correct, which is that as you add power it will add additional wear to some extent. But I imagine if we pulled apart a stock drivetrain driven hard at 100,000 miles it would look worse than a race chipped car driven reasonably at the same mileage.
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      05-09-2019, 09:00 AM   #61
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Thank you for the feedback. Concise and to the point.
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Pretty sure my car will go straight to an auction somewhere after my lease is up so I'm hoping no penanlty.
Yeah I agree, as no dealer will take it off lease since they cant certify it due to several reasons. BMW gets this bad boy back and it hits the factory lane unless you trade it in early which will be an ugly ACV. No matter what, an engine replacement on Autocheck or Carfax scares used car managers big time along with the accident.
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Quickburn7, thanks for taking the time to write a very practical review.

About IND oil cooler guard ... did you install it yourself or had another shop install for you? What was the installation cost?
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I love how inconspicuous it is and only car people know what it is. This allows me to go anywhere without feeling like people are looking and at work at least I don't feel like a jerk pulling into meetings.
ok im with you there. love the look and how understated it is.

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The exhaust mod is a must though. I have the eisenmann race with the M Sport mid pipes and also removed the resonators. It can get loud and drones but I prefer that than the quiet stock system
ya contradicted yourself!
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I just hit 15k miles with this amazing car and so far here are my impressions:

The Positives:
  • Unlike others have experienced I still have no rattles at all inside the car. I have a very early HEA build and it was built like a tank. I have H&R springs and the roads to and from my house are canyons that have not been repaved in a decade so the car gets abused.
  • I am still amazed at how it changes character at the press of a button. I have not owned a car before that can go from such a comfortable, docile car to a tightly sprung, angry, high revving canyon eater like the M5 going from full efficient to full sports plus. It really is Jekyll and Hyde in a car.
  • I love how inconspicuous it is and only car people know what it is. This allows me to go anywhere without feeling like people are looking and at work at least I don't feel like a jerk pulling into meetings.
  • It is a large car but never feels that way. It's shrinks around itself when maneuvering around traffic and in the twisty stuff.
  • I have a few mods but this car is as great as it was from the factory. The exhaust mod is a must though. I have the eisenmann race with the M Sport mid pipes and also removed the resonators. It can get loud and drones but I prefer that than the quiet stock system or even the eisenmann performance exhaust system I had in before.
  • I have learned to ignore my check engine lights as they usually go away in a couple of days. The car heals itself!
  • The car is a monster in a straight line and comparable to but more impressive than my 812 or GT2rs. Those are very expensive super cars. What impressed me most is that this is a very heavy, 5 seater big sedan that in most conditions can match those cars in a straight line!

The Negatives:
  • I haven't had the best of luck with this particular car. I've had 2 idiots drive into me which did not cause much damage but still had to repair and paint.
  • The oil cooler NEEDS to be protected better from the factory. The fact that it isn't is just plain negligent considering how easily it is to puncture, and how quickly the engine will seize. I had to replace my engine and it cost my insurance $60k to repair because a stick went right through the oil cooler. I highly recommend the IND oil cooler guard for this car. It's not worth not having it installed.
  • The brakes on my car ( non ceramic ) make more noise than the first generation Porsche or Mercedes carbon brakes when cold. It's embarrassing in stop and go traffic and BMW said they did all they can to eliminate it. ( replaced rotors and pads twice) it's just mind blowing to me that all other manufacturers can make quiet, high performance brake pads but not BMW?
  • My car was flagged for having a RaceChip ( my fault and long story) however come on BMWNA. This is just a bad policy!

I change my daily drivers almost every year since I drive about 30k miles a year split between my M5 and my Range Rover. All I can say about this car is that despite issues and bad luck it is still the best daily driver I have ever owned and have not found any other car on the market that can entice me to switch.
Great review thanks for sharing!
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Quickburn7, thanks for taking the time to write a very practical review.

About IND oil cooler guard ... did you install it yourself or had another shop install for you? What was the installation cost?
I am who install it for him and a few others forum members.
PM me if you are interested in getting it done.
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