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      03-21-2018, 10:09 PM   #89
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I like the fact CD uses Race Logic boxes - I'm not sure if all the other Mag's do (or what equipment they use) - but it is sophisticated enough to give fairly reliable results. As Road and Track ran the exact same 0-60 and 1/4 ET, but with a 127 MPH trap - it is showing the results are consistent over different testing days, tracks and drivers.

Either way you slice it - this F90 M5 is quicker and faster than any stock R35 GTR from the factory - including the NISMO. It also ties the GM provided C7 Z06 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. That is a crazy fact for a four door, 16 foot, 4300+ lb luxury GT car.
Here's my quote to ensure no one is going to say I meant top speed. I specifically state 0-60, 1/4 ET and Trap speed.
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Awww did I hurt your feelings, we all know bmws always take a beating from the GTR, especially the M-Cars.

Finally, after losing so many comparison tests to the e63/rs7 for 7 years and the poor sales that ensued STUBBORN bmw decided to add awd to the M5. Well it’s about time. And just to set the record straight as you seem to be misinformed, the dash , seats and inlays are all leather on the GTR and they have gone 6s in the 1/4 mile and high 7s driven to the track and home so no comparison performance wise....
No one cares. The GTR is a dated bodystyle and they are available for $50k used now. It's a garbage car inside....it makes the Tesla look like a fucking Rolls Royce on the inside. 99.9% of people who buy the M5 don't buy it to race at the friggin track.
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Awww did I hurt your feelings, we all know bmws always take a beating from the GTR, especially the M-Cars.

Finally, after losing so many comparison tests to the e63/rs7 for 7 years and the poor sales that ensued STUBBORN bmw decided to add awd to the M5. Well it’s about time. And just to set the record straight as you seem to be misinformed, the dash , seats and inlays are all leather on the GTR and they have gone 6s in the 1/4 mile and high 7s driven to the track and home so no comparison performance wise....
If you are not a fan of BMW...and I'm guessing are not buying an F90 M5, why are you here? I mean comparing the R35 platform - to a luxury GT car - for all out modding and subsequent performance?

It was a stock for stock point.
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I'd love for them to do a 40mph-130mph test instead of a top gear acceleration from 50mph-70mph. Although good, it's not really that relevant. I can just drop a gear for that.

A roll test would truly show which one is faster, since you eliminate the launch and even give the caddy a chance with its RWD platform.
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The GTR was a great track car, and probably still a good track car. Performance, still very good.

The new M5, is 5 seat ( i have three kids ), and right now, i can go on highway and flash a gt--r (aka many sports car) and gently ask them to let me pass because i need to go at the restaurant before them ... lol

Seriously, not so many car push like the m5 / gt-r / etc...

M5 have the same level of performance as many sport / supercar on daily driving .... and ... i can travel with 5 person in the cars. Not a lot of car can do that today (e63, rs7)

So, from a daily performance perspective, i prefer the m5 over the gt-r ( extra luxury, back pain less, and many cool feature with the m5 that you don't have in the gt-r.)

But on a track ... for sure, probably more funny with a gt-r, porsche gt3 rs / mclaren ...


Can we tell that both car have simillar performance, one focus on fun / track, the other one focus on luxury, performance, authoban .

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The GTR was a great track car, and probably still a good track car. Performance, still very good.

The new M5, is 5 seat ( i have three kids ), and right now, i can go on highway and flash a gt--r (aka many sports car) and gently ask them to let me pass because i need to go at the restaurant before them ... lol

Seriously, not so many car push like the m5 / gt-r / etc...

M5 have the same level of performance as many sport / supercar on daily driving .... and ... i can traval with 5 person in the cars. Not a lot of car can do that today (e63, rs7)

So, from a daily performance perspective, i prefer the m5 over the gt-r ( extra luxury, back pain less, and many cool feature with the m5 that you don't have in the gt-r.)

But on a track ... for sure, probably more funny with a gt-r, porsche gt3 rs / mclaren ...


Can we tell that both car have simillar performance, one focus on fun / track, the other one focus on luxury, performance, authoban .
This was really my point - not so much the raw performance of the F90, but the fact we are even discussing the F90 with a GTR or C7Z at ALL. These are amazing times we live in as car enthusiasts! GT Luxury sedans that are supercar level in performance while taking your Family to dinner and a movie - all the while getting a massage for you and your passenger lol.

This is a golden age of performance and amazing cars all round.
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Interior styling a 10/10 for the AMG? I guess if you like tacked on iPads! I personally think the AMG interior looks out of balance. I donÂ’t think a massive horizontal screen is beautiful automotive design. IÂ’d give the M5 9/10 and the AMG 7/10, which would make the margin of victory even larger for the new king of the executive saloons.
This looks like a tacked on iPad? This interior is worlds ahead of BMW.
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This was really my point - not so much the raw performance of the F90, but the fact we are even discussing the F90 with a GTR or C7Z at ALL. These are amazing times we live in as car enthusiasts! GT Luxury sedans that are supercar level in performance while taking your Family to dinner and a movie - all the while getting a massage for you and your passenger lol.

This is a golden age of performance and amazing cars all round.

100% truth

We are in an era like the 60's ... wow 5 seats and 300 km/ h 0/60 2.8 1/4 miles 10.9 lol wow fuk...g nice and fun.
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I'd love for them to do a 40mph-130mph test instead of a top gear acceleration from 50mph-70mph. Although good, it's not really that relevant. I can just drop a gear for that.

A roll test would truly show which one is faster, since you eliminate the launch and even give the caddy a chance with its RWD platform.
Racing says - in most cases - that trap speed is the best indicator of who will pull top end. If it was a very top end roll - maybe the power dynamics may shift enough to make the trap speed less relevent - but in general it is a pretty steady rule. So withe BMW having a good couple of MPH over the CTSV - it would be closer than in the dig - but still a loss for the Caddy.
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This looks like a tacked on iPad? This interior is worlds ahead of BMW.
We can't argue on taste ....
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This looks like a tacked on iPad? This interior is worlds ahead of BMW.
So - this is a good post. I was so sure - coming from the earlier E63S - that I would go to the new E63S, that is was a foregone conclusion.

When I sat in the car however - it just did not work for me. It was very Enterprise D with the curves. I found the M550ix interior much more to my liking. This is all subjective of course - but I would suggest those to actually sit in both before making a call - versus the pictures which to me looked much better than real life.

I switched Teams over the interior and the fact the E43 was too slow (neither the new E63S or obviously the F90 were out yet).
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Comparing a GT-R to M5.... the R35 started production with 2 years left in the e60 M5 life cycle for Christ sake. Yes, 10 years and 2 generations later the M5 has caught up in performance. . The F90 is a beast no doubt with amazing performance, but the GT-R was groundbreaking performance, especially considering its price. It deserves respect for its time (which is well passed now). And it's a shame that the focus of M cars (at least from discussions I've been seeing on this forum) is now becoming 0-60 times and trap speed.
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I agree with that but can't expect too much from an inline 6. V8 is a different story.
good point there. honestly the long and beloved e46 sounds like ass. it always sounded like ass and it sounded like even more ass with aftermarket parts.

but it's probably the most idolized m3 generation. people get hung up on the wrong weak points. the f8x is a precision tool while being able to do all the daily driving needs one would require. sounds like a fucking good deal to me
e46 sounds like ass? hahaha ill link u a video or 2 of the one i had and tell me it sounds like ass...only m car i can think of that sounds better is e60 m5 with exhuast work. and ya i had e92 with muffler delete and trust the e46 sounded miles better.
edit: here ya go: tell me its sounds like ass please
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Comparing a GT-R to M5.... the R35 started production with 2 years left in the e60 M5 life cycle for Christ sake. Yes, 10 years and 2 generations later the M5 has caught up in performance. . The F90 is a beast no doubt with amazing performance, but the GT-R was groundbreaking performance, especially considering its price. It deserves respect for its time (which is well passed now). And it's a shame that the focus of M cars (at least from discussions I've been seeing on this forum) is now becoming 0-60 times and trap speed.
It's a fair point, believe me when I say I hold nothing against the R35 lol. It is actually 11 years old having being release at the Tokyo Motor Show in 2007. Again - my point is that we live in a great era for performance where GT luxury cars are putting out these kind of numbers - stock. As to the straight line performance numbers - I hear you again - but the time of the E39/E60 is gone for any manufacturer. They are all big cars (the 5 series now as long as the 2000 7 series). They just are not the nimble track capable cars they once were. They can do it - and with the power - a lot of fun - but it is hard to hide that heft.
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This looks like a tacked on iPad? This interior is worlds ahead of BMW.
We can't argue on taste ....
It's not even taste. BMW has made no evolution in the last 10 years within the interior.
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That Panamera turbo price tho....

Damn. Porsche starting to be unobtainable if you ask me.

Lemme rephrase, porsche HAVE been unobtainable if you ask me. LOL
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It's not even taste. BMW has made no evolution in the last 10 years within the interior.
It is taste - subjective taste. The new G30 has the same LED lighting as the MB. It just isn't curved like a spaceship. Again - sit in the car before you give up on one. From the pictures I thought the interior was amazing. Until I actually saw and sat in it.
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aw so cute when they throw in their shitty cadi in there :') no surprises her though m5 wins every time a new m5 comes out same goes for m3/4.
Dont be mad the Cadi smoked your F10. It still beat them all in chassis and fun to drive. That says a lot.
im just not a fan of the car overall as a car. regardless the f10 has proven to be faster in straight line(always fixable with mods on either end). if i wanted a good sports car id buy a z06 not a fat cadi. these are performamce versions of luxury sedans and in most areas are better than the cadi. performance aside since driver skill level mods and all that can fill in the gaps. i only said its shitty cuz it cheeaes me how much these americans try to pump up their cars. theyre good ya but not yet as good. id honestly take the new e63 over new m5 so dont think i have a bias for bmw or just want to pick the car thats fastest.
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It's not even taste. BMW has made no evolution in the last 10 years within the interior.
Hummm ... in my opinion ... it's all about taste...

Evolution is based on what?
Material? Techno? Design?

For me, i like bmw interior since 1999. Lot of minor / major (like idrive) evolution since there.. (techno)

In 20 years from now, car will be in a path for real major evolution. / revolution. No more steering, no more front seat, imagine what will be a real self driving cars ...

but for now, for all manufacturer ... it's more like minor evolution each time...

Bmw = porsche
Mercedes = hyundai (lol) joke ... more like audi


And bye the way ... i like this threads ... funny and some kind of respectful debate / opinion
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This looks like a tacked on iPad? This interior is worlds ahead of BMW.
Lol, a vertical wall and industrial pipe caps as vents should be called evolution? Or lack of imagination?
Even the yellow lines on your picture shows how non "fluid" that design is.

Ewww... Don't like the new BMW glued ipads but that Mercedes interior makes me puke...
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This looks like a tacked on iPad? This interior is worlds ahead of BMW.
We can't argue on taste ....
It's not even taste. BMW has made no evolution in the last 10 years within the interior.
Ugh... the flat screen for the dash and the infotainment drives me nuts. I think it's so cheesy and in person doesn't feel right to me to stare at a flat panel for the dash. Also a total cost cutting move because it's the same part across multiple lines. It works in the new g wagon (I LOVE that interior) but not in the sportier cars.

See... it's taste. I think the interior of the M5 is one of its strongest points. Sat in it and was shocked how much I loved it.

Guess we'll agree to disagree
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