[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Nope, I just love the engineering. But we can see your love for max is blinding your judgement.


All legal, you keep bringing it up but it is all legal - and created by engineers that are extremely clever.

Whatever Mercedes is ...Let's say "INVENTING"

It's all legal for the FIA anyway ...

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's really funny !
There are also high speed turns , where they reach 300 + km/h !
And your valve will not be activated ..
If your valve would be activated in a 300 km/h turn . Your Merc would meet a wall in no time !

The rear squat suspension is programmed in the track configuration and controlled via GPS .
The system is accurate at +/- 1 meter .

It's impossible to make it work in the Red Bull by the RB16's high-rake .
The Wolf won't tell you that !

#FIAMercedes !

While you stay in your fantasy world I choose to look at logic.


Remember different wing configurations will change the level of downforce generated and how much load the rear suspension will see. Generally when you see 300 kph speeds you aren't running the highest wing level because the drag is too high. Therefore a smaller wing means a smaller load and thus 300 kph will not generate enough load to bottom out the suspension, however on the straights where speeds are higher than in the corners you can generate even more down force to meet the loads required to squat the car. This can also be tuned by tuning the damper so when you run a smaller wing less force is needed to cause squatting.

Also your logic would imply that flexi wings don't work unless they're GPS controlled because they'll flex in high speed corners - but they don't because they're precisely tuned for the speed and load they will encounter specifically on the straights. Smaller wings will need to be able to flex easier than larger wings because they don't generate the same amount of down force for instance.

Another counter point is that it took the mercedes in the video alot more than 1m of running on the straights before it squatted, if it was gps controlled it should have squatted earlier to have even faster acceleration. But it didn't, so easily with critical thinking I am able to adequately debunk your myth of mercedes having gps controlled suspension.



Again maybe you should indeed stick to fantasy because the egineering seems to complicated for you to handle.




BTW: rake doesn't matter for the squatting suspension, its whole design is to eliminate rake angle on the straights to stall the diffuser and thus reduce drag, then on the slower speed cornering sections reimplement the rake angle to get more volume under the duffuser for more down force generation. This design allowed mercedes to jack up the rear of the w12 (and if you add high rake to a long wheel base car you get immense amounts of drag along but this clever suspension trick eliminates it) and allow it to still retain fast straight line speeds. Redbull could have this in their rb16b if they wanted to and it wouldn't upset the car because it wouldn't be used where downforce generation is required, however it isn't easy to do so it might take too much engineering investment on behalf of redbull to get this done this season.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

By gum Max goes into the 32's to seal pole, guess Ham's shocker valve wasn't all it was cracked up to be and Checo just couldn't make it a 1-2 but I'm happy with that.

Wow the RB looked fast! I wonder what upgrades they brought - can't wait to break down those new bits.

Or maybe they're just learning to setup their car better - again the importance of understanding a car.

[M5Rick]

MV

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

Wow the RB looked fast! I wonder what upgrades they brought - can't wait to break down those new bits.

Or maybe they're just learning to setup their car better - again the importance of understanding a car.

Yup I'll go with set up like you say and the saving antidote but most of all the best driver.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

MV

Loved that, but wished Perez got it instead.

Hope Perez gets it in Mexico though.

[BenDiem]

I hate to be critical, but is it just me or did Danica Patrick look like she gained a lot of weight? No longer a hottie! Her outfit sucked too.
Her interview skills were lacking too…

Back on topic, should be an entertaining race tomorrow!

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Yup I'll go with set up like you say and the saving antidote but most of all the best driver.

Im saying setup, for the first time the RB looked planted in every corner.

Max is Max, super consistent all year and hasn't made any mistakes. So give him a fast car and he'll be fastest, pretty simple logic.

Finally RB have given Perez a car he can drive fast too and he's near in the top.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

Im saying setup, for the first time the RB looked planted in every corner.

Max is Max, super consistent all year and hasn't made any mistakes. So give him a fast car and he'll be fastest, pretty simple logic.

Finally RB have given Perez a car he can drive fast too and he's near in the top.

I'm happy with the line up.

[Richneerd]

Originally Posted by BenDiem

I hate to be critical, but is it just me or did Danica Patrick look like she gained a lot of weight? No longer a hottie! Her outfit sucked too.
Her interview skills were lacking too…

Back on topic, should be an entertaining race tomorrow!

Age does that to you, it sucks getting old!

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'm happy with the line up.

Yeah I'm so glad they didn't sack perez for next year that would have been disappointing.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by BenDiem

I hate to be critical, but is it just me or did Danica Patrick look like she gained a lot of weight? No longer a hottie! Her outfit sucked too.
Her interview skills were lacking too…

Back on topic, should be an entertaining race tomorrow!

Yep, the interviewing skills were lacking!!!

Didn't notice weight gain, still cute & poster worthy

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Im saying setup, for the first time the RB looked planted in every corner.

Max is Max, super consistent all year and hasn't made any mistakes. So give him a fast car and he'll be fastest, pretty simple logic.

Finally RB have given Perez a car he can drive fast too and he's near in the top.

You should read my post in # 195 !

The 16B has a new floor . Checo ran it already in Turkey ...
That's why he could get into a fight with HAM .
Remember the pitlane incident where HAM pushed Checo into the pitlane !

Checo with the new floor, was the Red Bull's test mule in Turkey . Today MAX ran it too .
That's why the 16B looked so planted today for both , and the full potential of the HONDA PU can be used .
Checo got always the same machinery , but he struggled the whole season with the 16B's rear end .
The new floor is a great job from Newey !

Today Checo looked more confident with the new floor than MAX is ..
That's because Checo ran more km's and already 2 races with the new feeling and floor in the car .
MAX's addaption with a new feeling in a car is lightning fast anyway ..

Did you see the Wolf's face after the QF ?
To me it looked like a thunderstorm ...


And BTW : (finally) Congrats for Checo !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You should read my post in # 195 !

The 16B has a new floor . Checo ran it already in Turkey ...
That's why he could get into a fight with HAM .
Remember the pitlane incident where HAM pushed Checo into the pitlane !

Checo with the new floor, was the Red Bull's test mule in Turkey . Today MAX ran it too .
That's why the 16B looked so planted today for both , and the full potential of the HONDA PU can be used .
Checo got always the same machinery , but he struggled the whole season with the 16B's rear end .
The new floor is a great job from Newey !

Today Checo looked more confident with the new floor than MAX is ..
That's because Checo ran more km's and already 2 races with the new feeling and floor in the car .
MAX's addaption with a new feeling in a car is lightning fast anyway ..

Did you see the Wolf's face after the QF ?
To me it looked like a thunderstorm ...


And BTW : (finally) Congrats for Checo !

I like seing Wolf's face like thunder,it shows his true character

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Adrian Newey is back and HONDA turned the PU open !

Adrian worked really hard on the new floor , even when he was out by his accident .


AND .....

""MAX IS POLE" !!! P1

The Newey floor is spectacular and thank the Lord he wasn't injured more seriously, at his age injuries can take longer to heal.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by F87source

Wow the RB looked fast! I wonder what upgrades they brought - can't wait to break down those new bits.

Or maybe they're just learning to setup their car better - again the importance of understanding a car.

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Yup I'll go with set up like you say and the saving antidote but most of all the best driver.

Great drives by Max, Checo, Danny R and Hammy.

Merc has significant pace advantage on the straights and are hitting terminal velocity much quicker than the RBRs With a slipstream the Mercs could hit 350 kph during the race. Mercs struggle with cooling in the Texas Heat.

Post qualifying, Hammy said it will be a good race into Turn 1. Foreshadowing for a collision? Toto keeps referring to DNFs this week and the last time he repeated the DNF mantra was Silverstone.

I just put down flyer bet for a Bottas WDC.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I like seing Wolf's face like thunder,it shows his true character

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[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The Newey floor is spectacular and thank the Lord he wasn't injured more seriously, at his age injuries can take longer to heal.

I need to read more about it but there's nothing online yet.


Also I wouldn't label it the "newey" floor. Sure he's the technical lead, but one man doesn't get the job done. There's a bunch of super talented engineers that our the grunt work in to turn a sketch into reality. They have to turn the sketch into a CFD model, fix any errors with the design so it works better in real life and with the other bits on the car. Then the wind tunel guys have to test it and further refine it. So it's more team work than one person at the top.

It's also super demoralizing for the people who work on the car if you just give one person credit. It's a team game. So I'd call it the RBR floor, just like how no one calls it the Allison dampener or das etc.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by BenDiem

I hate to be critical, but is it just me or did Danica Patrick look like she gained a lot of weight? No longer a hottie! Her outfit sucked too.
Her interview skills were lacking too…

Back on topic, should be an entertaining race tomorrow!

You mean she's aging just like every other human ever conceived?

UNFORGIVEABLE doesn't she know better? The weight thing can be controlled though I'll give you that.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by NickyC

You mean she's aging just like every other human ever conceived?

UNFORGIVEABLE doesn't she know better? The weight thing can be controlled though I'll give you that.

She has an interesting monotone vocal delivery. No inflection whatsoever, for comedy put her in the booth with Crofty.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

Where was max today ? Dork got spanked by his team mate.

Oh sorry. Can I not bad mouth the second coming of Jesus here ?

Either way. Go lando !!!!

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The real story is that ferrari is actually coming back and beating mclaren.