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BMW ignoring the issue, could create a bigger problem, and even their own engineer mentions prolonged or permanent brake noise is NOT normal. But yet dealers (who are obviously the end all be all and authority on all things brakes ) tell us to "pound sand, deal with it, its normal"... What I don't understand is why wouldn't the dealer want to fix it, or at least give the illusion they tried by replacing the rotors and pads ? They get reimbursed from BMW anyway for warranty work, labor and parts. Last edited by jnotrom711; 05-19-2022 at 12:44 AM.. |
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To add another wrinkle; it's not just manufacturers of products that are strictly liable — it's anyone in the downstream chain of commerce en route to the injured plaintiff. That includes the dealers themselves, and possibly marketers, distributors, etc. — all proper defendants, and the plaintiff may choose to seek damages from any or all of them, at plaintiff's election. Plaintiff can elect to sue just one party in the downstream chain of commerce for the entirety of their damages, if they so choose, and force the defendant that actually pays out, to go after other defendants that plaintiff did not sue to be indemnified for or contribute to the payout of the judgment once there has been an apportionment of the percentage of fault of each of the proper defendant(s). Perhaps if dealers were more familiar with these legal ramifications, and had their legal departments in their ear, they would be less prone to sweeping the brake matter under the rug.
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BMW !!! JUST FIX THE BRAKES IT CANT BE THAT BIG A DEAL!!!! There has to be something relatively simple they could do to retain the OEM performance and eliminate the issue. "its normal".... No. It's not. Which is why you don't hear 99.99 % of the cars squealing like a pig about to be turned into bacon when coming to a stop at Starbucks to grab my latte and double smoke bacon sandwich (seee what I did there?) mmm bacon Normal is internal combustion cars creating exhaust noise(regulated heavily). Tires creating road noise (which I imagine has regulation also). Screeching when wear tabs on some cars hit the rotor alerting you brakes are needing replacement soon? Normal. Loud pig squealing brake noise with perfectly good brake pads and rotors, installed properly and working properly? Nope. Not normal. Nothing will convince me otherwise. |
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The 150 to 60 is obviously an extreme example. However, doesn't BMW say somewhere to go from highway speeds down to 20 or something to help with this??
I've had a ton of M cars and they all have done this so I know it's normal....it just sucks because no one has ever said "wow, nice car...it sounds like shit". You just don't expect that on a $130k car and to normal people...that isn't a "normal sound" you would think a car like this would make.
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I can attest that when I brake hard there is no squeal. I get squeal when I am braking gently under normal circumstances.
If I perform a very hard brake then I can alleviate the squeal for a while but it always returns. |
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This here ^^ is the answer to most noisy brakes. Or,like Shawn states, a less aggressive pad. The M5 or any M car can do everything from a full blown trackday or track weekend to ice cream and grocery runs. The brake pads must be able to withstand use at both ends of the spectrum. Sell your M5 and go buy a Subaru if you want quiet brakes. Last edited by G30 B58; 05-19-2022 at 06:15 AM.. |
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Just out of curiosity, how long is "a while" for you?
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I should not have to drive a Subaru to have quiet brakes when I am at that end…
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My brakes don’t squeal and never have. I feel so lucky not to have this issue. I’m also terrified of when they need to be replaced.
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Lol even the prlirelli p zeros that came with the car are sticky enough I have literal holes from rocks sticking to the tire and running over then repeatedly, I can only imagine the pz4cs
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I'd like to for the sake of getting the squeal to stop, but am a little concerned about reduced stopping power. I don't track my car like you do, but I do drive it hard. All the pads mentioned on the thread are reasonably priced enough to try one of those solutions out, and if problematic, I could always revert to OEM pads.
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