[pbonsalb]

Again, think about what is realistic and believable. Do you really think one of the most conservative tuners around has an off the shelf tune that makes more power than custom tunes from well respected tuners who have the car on the dyno or have logged the car so they know how much of the safety margin they can use on that particular car?

I’d look at Carbahn if you want what looks like a really well developed off the shelf tune at a premium price.

[Eljeffrey13]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Again, think about what is realistic and believable. Do you really think one of the most conservative tuners around has an off the shelf tune that makes more power than custom tunes from well respected tuners who have the car on the dyno or have logged the car so they know how much of the safety margin they can use on that particular car?

I’d look at Carbahn if you want what looks like a really well developed off the shelf tune at a premium price.

Thats why the numbers look alittle funny but they are claiming the numbers they have a dyno chart and like u said they are a reputable tuner.. so for them to play with the numbers that much is alittle hard to believe and disappointing if its true…

[Eljeffrey13]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Again, think about what is realistic and believable. Do you really think one of the most conservative tuners around has an off the shelf tune that makes more power than custom tunes from well respected tuners who have the car on the dyno or have logged the car so they know how much of the safety margin they can use on that particular car?

I'd look at Carbahn if you want what looks like a really well developed off the shelf tune at a premium price.

That was one of the tunes i was looking at just very little real world info on the tune, very few ppl are running it and no confirmed dyno number with someone whos running it, but then this dinan tune comes out and blew carbahns tune out the water with the numbers 🤦 so it caught my eye

[pbonsalb]

If you are just looking for numbers claimed also look at the Noelle tune. If I chose among Dinan, Noelle and Carbahn, it would be Carbahn hands down.

[m4h2o]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

If you are just looking for numbers claimed also look at the Noelle tune. If I chose among Dinan, Noelle and Carbahn, it would be Carbahn hands down.

Are these 3 choices because they offer warranty?
If one doesn't care about warranty who do you think offers more bang for the buck?

[m5_mbb7]

Originally Posted by m4h2o

Are these 3 choices because they offer warranty?
If one doesn't care about warranty who do you think offers more bang for the buck?

I would go evolve/Utku Noa if warranty isn’t an issue

[pbonsalb]

I think Carbahn is best overall. But custom utku noa or HCP are fastest and cheaper and great reputation. The work on BM3 platform.

[bMm5w]

Dealer will see this tune if they scan the ECU, correct?

I know the question has been beat to death, but I'm trying to confirming it for this new release.

[pbonsalb]

Yes. And the dealer can probably detect whether a piggyback was used, if it spends the time.

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by m4h2o

Pardon my ignorance but DME's stage 2 tune is 143 hp increase. Im assuming that is not at the wheel? So if Dinan is roughly 120whp is what does that equate too at the flywheel?

Appears to be at the flywheel and they are also taking factory rated stock numbers as the baseline. We offer charts at both the wheel and flywheel if you want to compare but keep in mind our measured baseline is higher than the factory rating (as is typical with all M cars).

Originally Posted by neoprufrok

Can't wait for the Dinan+. Question - with a Dinan Intake and Inlet setup - will hp/tq be any higher than above? Also assume Dinan+ removes limiter.

Both Stage 1 and Dinan+ remove the limiter. Will get some marginal power benefit from the inlets coupled with the tune but we are talking a comparitively miniscule number that won't be readily noticable on a nearly 700 WHP vehicle.

Originally Posted by Eljeffrey13

I love the wheel numbers but how safe is the tq numbers since i have seen very few tuners get to that wheel torque number on custom tunes?

~750 lb-ft is where we feel comfortable capping it off without any real concern. For the warranty tune we limited it to 720 for a bit more safety margin. Our shop car has been running around with one form of the tune or another for over a year at this point without issues and on a recent health check everything was running just as well as pre-tuned.

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Probably not apples to apples due to different dyno types. Dinan is known to be conservative, as are most other off the shelf tunes. I doubt Dinan is actually making more torque with its off the shelf tuning than anyone else. Run them all on the same dyno and then you can compare.

True - different dynos will produce different results so apples to apples direct comparison is difficult. That said, I would put the Dinan tune up against ANY comparable stage 1 tune with the same mods and would expect to match or outperform the competition.

Originally Posted by Eljeffrey13

Yes i understand that but using there baseline its on par with what the car has dynoed stock on a bunch of different dyno's and the gains dinan is claiming is over 120whp and close to 190wtq… which on the same dyno is still alot of gains not so much in the hp but in the tq… listen i will be happy to buy this tune if numbers are legit and safe so i just want alittle more clarity on how safe the tq numbers are and if its really that high of a number

Take the below dyno charts for what their worth and make your own conclusion if you choose to. The performance charts that are created are simply an easier to follow way to display the data.

Stock:

Stage 1:

Originally Posted by DirtyVegasMB

Dealer will see this tune if they scan the ECU, correct?

I know the question has been beat to death, but I'm trying to confirming it for this new release.

Yes. Any tune (flash or piggyback) can be detected given enough digging.

[Eljeffrey13]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

Appears to be at the flywheel and they are also taking factory rated stock numbers as the baseline. We offer charts at both the wheel and flywheel if you want to compare but keep in mind our measured baseline is higher than the factory rating (as is typical with all M cars).

Both Stage 1 and Dinan+ remove the limiter. Will get some marginal power benefit from the inlets coupled with the tune but we are talking a comparitively miniscule number that won't be readily noticable on a nearly 700 WHP vehicle.

~750 lb-ft is where we feel comfortable capping it off without any real concern. For the warranty tune we limited it to 720 for a bit more safety margin. Our shop car has been running around with one form of the tune or another for over a year at this point without issues and on a recent health check everything was running just as well as pre-tuned.

True - different dynos will produce different results so apples to apples direct comparison is difficult. That said, I would put the Dinan tune up against ANY comparable stage 1 tune with the same mods and would expect to match or outperform the competition.

Take the below dyno charts for what their worth and make your own conclusion if you choose to. The performance charts that are created are simply an easier to follow way to display the data.

Stock:
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Stage 1:
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Yes. Any tune (flash or piggyback) can be detected given enough digging.

Alot of great info tune looks real good, thanks for answering questions

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by Eljeffrey13

Alot of great info tune looks real good, thanks for answering questions

No problem. Apologize for the delayed responses. Was out for the holidays and then have been dealing with all the neverending questions with the ignition coil releases the past 2 days so this is the first time I've had a moment to get back into this thread.

[m5 guy]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

No problem. Apologize for the delayed responses. Was out for the holidays and then have been dealing with all the neverending questions with the ignition coil releases the past 2 days this is the first time I've had a moment to get back into this thread.

Speaking of which I ordered a set of the coils yesterday. Excited to give them a go!

[Eljeffrey13]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

No problem. Apologize for the delayed responses. Was out for the holidays and then have been dealing with all the neverending questions with the ignition coil releases the past 2 days this is the first time I've had a moment to get back into this thread.

Def getting the coil packs also 😂👍

[MasudM5]

Hi. Has anyone tried the new Dinan Stage 1? How does it look? I’m curious about its performance In comparison to the Carbahn’s stage 1. Thanks

[greentrbo95gst]

Any plans to develop 2021 software? How is that going?

[spuntyb]

My lease is up later this year, otherwise I'd be down. If I get into a 2020 for the next car, I'm all over it.

How's the 2020+ development going?

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

Any plans to develop 2021 software? How is that going?

Originally Posted by spuntyb

My lease is up later this year, otherwise I'd be down. If I get into a 2020 for the next car, I'm all over it.

How's the 2020+ development going?

2021+ MY DME encryption is being worked on, and has been for quite some time. No ETA's to give or anything to share publicly on that front though.

[mjr24]

Will this get pops and burbles back in the exhaust or no?

Also....won't this work on 21 and 22 X5M models if it works on the 20? I know the F90 had the LCI so it makes sense why it won't work on LCI models....but I don't think anything changed from 2020 to 21-22 on the X5M models.

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Will this get pops and burbles back in the exhaust or no?

Also....won't this work on 21 and 22 X5M models if it works on the 20? I know the F90 had the LCI so it makes sense why it won't work on LCI models....but I don't think anything changed from 2020 to 21-22 on the X5M models.

Pops n Bangs are factory Comp settings. Some applications we increase the timer or default to the more agressive factory version of pops n bangs if there are multiple flavors but its typically not something we go out of our way to go crazy on simply because over time its not good for the cat's and emissions.

All 21+ vehicles recieved the new encryption (X5M/X6M included).

[-cj-]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

Pops n Bangs are factory Comp settings. Some applications we increase the timer or default to the more agressive factory version of pops n bangs if there are multiple flavors but its typically not something we go out of our way to go crazy on simply because over time its not good for the cat's and emissions.

All 21+ vehicles recieved the new encryption (X5M/X6M included).

Do the pops and bangs settings get changed on the X5MC? Even the comp version of the X5 doesn't really overrun.. you get nice bangs when shifting at WOT, but nothing when youre off throttle. Just wondering if you made any changes? (My buddy's M5C sounds vastly different)

[RAUDERRIPPER]

Spoke with some managers from 3 separate dealers and only one said they will respect the Dinan tune and will not void the warranty. The other two basically said "nah." However at the end of the day everybody can look for reasons not to cover anything so I'd prob go with the extra $ for the Dinan warranty.