[VCP]

Big boy reunion time?

Originally Posted by Mark's M

I'm sniffing that you're sniffing for....Munich 2017, maybe September-ish when this thing goes into production??? Lol

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by ralphie9677

As someone who lives in Colorado, I welcome the change. I hope they pass down the AWD concept to the M3/M4. My M4 sits idle for most of the winter and I would love to have the capability to drive it in moderately inclement conditions, which I won't even attempt now.

I rip mine all year with snow tires, things a beast and just like CT I'm sure co does a great job plowing. Man up. I was amazed how far tire tech has come.

[Alan l.]

It would be awesome if they used two electric motors up front to provide propulsion during max acceleration, slippery conditions as well as a true torque vectoring system to help in handling like the new NSX. Force induction, electric hybrid motors are the wave of the future because traditional setups has now reached its limit in terms of putting power to the ground and meeting stricter emission requirements.

[Mako]

any chance the front wheels might be electric powered? seems like something several manufacturers are looking into.

520hp TT V8 powering rear wheels
130hp Electric for front wheels


turn off electric and it becomes a 520HP RWD car

[raysspl]

AWD should be the option, not the mainstay.

[3M TAPE]

They couldn't keep the weight down, decided to go AWD.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by BigMacMeal

They couldn't keep the weight down, decided to go AWD.

That makes absolutely no sense

[secretanchitman]

Makes complete sense considering the amount of HP and torque coming out from that engine. I can't wait to have a go in it when it comes out!

[F85MTuNED]

20:80 is going to be insane and the launches...oh lord

[StealYourFace]

The next generation will need a 3rd axle with all the power theyll have...

[E92Hwo2]

Now less spinning more safe for M car and more power I don't see why not except adding extra weight can't wait to see this coming to All M car

[reprod]

Originally Posted by JRobUSC

Or a Porsche. The acceleration figures for the new Boxster/Cayman/911 are staggering. MotorTrend ran the new Carrera S PDK 0-60 in 3.1s and the 1/4 mile in 11.5. Hell, Car & Driver got the base 911 stickshift 0-60 in 4.0s.

Whether BMW goes all-wheel drive or not, they need to steal some of the Porsche engineers that programmed their PDK launch control system to simplify the engagement and improve the results, because the system BMW uses in their rear wheel drive M's sucks by comparison.

The engine sits on the rear drive wheels in the Porsche. This is not the case with our BMWs (unless you think of the i8). Generally, Porsche also equips their high power cars with much wider tires as well.

[Twix]

Isn't the G30 using some carbon a la 7er? If the F90 or whatever M5 uses the same structure, the AWD weight difference should be offset.

As long as the drive feeling status the same, or improves, AWD is a good thing. It will make the cars more viable for those whom live in snowy/mountainous climates.

Innovation can be a good thing, I hope M can deliver with this new M5, because it will set the benchmark for all other M cars.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Twix

Isn't the G30 using some carbon a la 7er?

If the F90 or whatever M5 uses the same structure, the AWD weight difference should be offset.

The G30 doesn't utilize Carbon Core.

That doesn't mean the F90 has to follow suit. CLAR was specifically designed for significant flexibility like this.

[AlexLou1222]

I love my AWD X6M and how it puts down the power, with a lighter M5, of course AWD will help overall traction and acceleration time. Looking forward to it as I may very well get one in couple of years.
Btw, the 0-60 needs to be 3.5 to be acceptable.

[mjr24]

Absolutely pointless to have 500-600HP without AWD. The car will not hold that power down with RWD. I bought a new body style CLS550 in 2013. I think they have 402 HP (with 4Matic)....and it seemed faster than my M6GC now. I swore my M6 was going to be my last M car unless they started doing AWD. I think the new M550i X-Drive being significantly faster 0-60 than the current M5 (without AWD) tells you all you need to know.

[julienjj]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

I'm actually going to order my winter tires or wheel-tire set today or tomorrow.

I'm also in Colorado. Do you have any recommendations? (M2).

Not sure if I should slap winters on the stock wheels, or buy a whole new set. First time I'll need to do this, so I'm not super confident in my decision making.

I have a set of Bridgestone WS-80 on my 135i. Excellent in the snow.
You have the choice for winter tires, you can get something performance oriented, ie michelin pilot alpin which are for cold days with ice and will perform good on cold and wet pavement, and you have those that are made for snow, which are the opposite (michelin X-ice or the WS-80), do good in the snow and ice, ok in the wet but will not have as much grip on pavemEnt due to the large thread pattern.

[ORIGIN M.]

1st Plug-in M-car in history

BMW-i meets BMW ///M

Front axle w/eDrive

Originally Posted by Alan l.

It would be awesome if they used two electric motors up front to provide propulsion during max acceleration, slippery conditions as well as a true torque vectoring system to help in handling like the new NSX. Force induction, electric hybrid motors are the wave of the future...

[Neil McRae]

So a cook from Audi takes over ///M and shock horror we have the worst build quality ever in an M car (M4 - rattles like a skeleton on a rollercoaster) and now we have this all wheel drive BS.

Fearful we will have a car that handles like an Audi and is a snore fest. And who are these crackpots who want electric motors in the car? Less is ///more! Normally I'd be ordering one of these without a test drive etc as my faith in ///M has always paid off but with the build quality of the ///M4 (and M2) and this AWD BS I'm going to wait until the car has a few miles in the hands of real owners.

RIP ///M

Neil

[hovabongz]

Originally Posted by Neil McRae

So a cook from Audi takes over ///M and shock horror we have the worst build quality ever in an M car (M4 - rattles like a skeleton on a rollercoaster) and now we have this all wheel drive BS.

Fearful we will have a car that handles like an Audi and is a snore fest. And who are these crackpots who want electric motors in the car? Less is ///more! Normally I'd be ordering one of these without a test drive etc as my faith in ///M has always paid off but with the build quality of the ///M4 (and M2) and this AWD BS I'm going to wait until the car has a few miles in the hands of real owners.

RIP ///M

Neil

Franciscus Van Meel was not around when the M3/4 were being developed and built it was the former CEO Albert Biermann.Lets not judge the new car before it arrives. There's just no current technology that would allows RWD cars to put the power down efficiently even the current M5 struggles. I love RWD BMW's but at that power and torque level it makes no sense.

[ORIGIN M.]

Do you want some Cheese with your Whine?

Originally Posted by Neil McRae

So a cock from Audi takes over ///M... and now we have this all wheel drive BS..

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

I'm actually going to order my winter tires or wheel-tire set today or tomorrow.

I'm also in Colorado. Do you have any recommendations? (M2).

Not sure if I should slap winters on the stock wheels, or buy a whole new set. First time I'll need to do this, so I'm not super confident in my decision making.

I'm in a much warmer climate .. however
I would start with what @julienjj recommends.

First decide what tires you will need. As a general rule you have three options ...

All season ? Continental DWS
Snow ? Bridgestone WS-80
Ice? Blizzak/alpin/hakkapelita/

Once you've determined what category then you can go tire shopping for sizes.

I would say that for sure while being less cost effective, your best option would be to purchase 18 " Wheels that will fit over the M2 calipers and go with an 18" tire that is slightly narrower and taller than OEM ( a narrower tire gives additional traction in snow )

Keep the OEM 19s for spring/summer/fall and keep in mind that moderate weather will KILL snow or ice tires quickly as well as the fact that their performance in the dry is much reduced.


You can also slap Winter tires on your stock 19" wheels but if you are going to be storing the summer tires it's probably easier to pick up a set of cheap/knockoff/spare wheels for what you will be saving with the smaller tires in 18 vs 19 along with the extra mount and balance costs each spring and fall.