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      05-15-2021, 04:56 AM   #23
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Where did the yellow angel eyes go?
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And even then you don't get the retro-French yellow LED strip lights (only when you have the headlights on though – for daylight running legislation insists they glow white).
You may have missed this part in the article.
Can't read, thanks.

That sucks big time. Ugh.

It's funny that the law (apparently) dictates what color the front DRLs must be - E6x/9x had yellow - but they don't say the rear lights must be on in DRL mode... which they should be on because people also drive behind cars, you know. Had that coded on my car immediately.
«The law» on light colours is (and has been since 1971) quite strict in Europe.

Lights towards the front shall be white, except for turn signal lights (amber) and front fog lights (yellow or white).

Lights towards the side shall be amber

Lights towards the rear shall be red, except turn signal lights (amber) and reversing lights (white).

The E6x and E9x did not have yellow DRLs. What BMW did was using the loophole in the legislation that says that a front side marking light must be amber but allows «stray light» to be emitted towards the front. The amber light strip on a E6x has three amber LEDs toward the side, with a light strip going across the headlight. No light source with direct amber light towards the front.

Same loophole for the rear where a side marking light can emitt red light if it is integrated in the main rear light housing. A separate side marking light must be amber though.
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And even then you don't get the retro-French yellow LED strip lights (only when you have the headlights on though – for daylight running legislation insists they glow white).
You may have missed this part in the article.
Can't read, thanks.

That sucks big time. Ugh.

It's funny that the law (apparently) dictates what color the front DRLs must be - E6x/9x had yellow - but they don't say the rear lights must be on in DRL mode... which they should be on because people also drive behind cars, you know. Had that coded on my car immediately.
"The law" on light colours is (and has been since 1971) quite strict in Europe.

Lights towards the front shall be white, except for turn signal lights (amber) and front fog lights (yellow or white).

Lights towards the side shall be amber

Lights towards the rear shall be red, except turn signal lights (amber) and reversing lights (white).

The E6x and E9x did not have yellow DRLs. What BMW did was using the loophole in the legislation that says that a front side marking light must be amber but allows "stray light" to be emitted towards the front. The amber light strip on a E6x has three amber LEDs toward the side, with a light strip going across the headlight. No light source with direct amber light towards the front.

Same loophole for the rear where a side marking light can emitt red light if it is integrated in the main rear light housing. A separate side marking light must be amber though.
The halogen Angel eyes looked pretty yellow to me. The three amber dots were on only with the parking lights or low-beams. ECE E90 LCI.

Do you have a link to the legislation documents regarding this, thanks
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And even then you don't get the retro-French yellow LED strip lights (only when you have the headlights on though – for daylight running legislation insists they glow white).
You may have missed this part in the article.
Can't read, thanks.

That sucks big time. Ugh.

It's funny that the law (apparently) dictates what color the front DRLs must be - E6x/9x had yellow - but they don't say the rear lights must be on in DRL mode... which they should be on because people also drive behind cars, you know. Had that coded on my car immediately.
"The law" on light colours is (and has been since 1971) quite strict in Europe.

Lights towards the front shall be white, except for turn signal lights (amber) and front fog lights (yellow or white).

Lights towards the side shall be amber

Lights towards the rear shall be red, except turn signal lights (amber) and reversing lights (white).

The E6x and E9x did not have yellow DRLs. What BMW did was using the loophole in the legislation that says that a front side marking light must be amber but allows "stray light" to be emitted towards the front. The amber light strip on a E6x has three amber LEDs toward the side, with a light strip going across the headlight. No light source with direct amber light towards the front.

Same loophole for the rear where a side marking light can emitt red light if it is integrated in the main rear light housing. A separate side marking light must be amber though.
The halogen Angel eyes looked pretty yellow to me. The three amber dots were on only with the parking lights or low-beams. ECE E90 LCI.

Do you have a link to the legislation documents regarding this, thanks
They look yellow compared with todays colder white of the LEDs, but are still within the spectre of white.

Just like older halogen headlights also has a more warm white.

This is ECE Reg 48 which regulates light installation, ie number, position, electrical connections etc. There are also separate technical regulations with specific requirements for each type of light. You will see those regs referenced under each light type in ECE 48:

https://unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/tran...5/R048r12e.pdf
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So this is available in non-limited number to everyone in the world but the U.S. only gets about 400
Canada is only getting 25 units?
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So this is available in non-limited number to everyone in the world but the U.S. only gets about 400
Canada is only getting 25 units?
Is that a question or a statement?
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I will make a smart guess knowing the brand for a long time ... BMW will produce a bunch meaning couple of thousands rather than what the dealers are saying 450 units to the US.
I could be wrong but it does not make sense for BMW to invest a lot of money in a CS version and limit production significantly and don't make their money back
for the M3/M4 version I think if you add both together , then numbers add up as compared if you look at each one alone .
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I will make a smart guess knowing the brand for a long time ... BMW will produce a bunch meaning couple of thousands rather than what the dealers are saying 450 units to the US.
I could be wrong but it does not make sense for BMW to invest a lot of money in a CS version and limit production significantly and don't make their money back
for the M3/M4 version I think if you add both together , then numbers add up as compared if you look at each one alone .
They'll produce as many as they can over the 1 year run. Keep in mind that demand for the M5C continues while the industry is also facing semiconductor shortages.

450 units for the US may in fact be what they've initially allocated to that region based on expected demand and their ability to supply. The number could increase if circumstances change.
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I will make a smart guess knowing the brand for a long time ... BMW will produce a bunch meaning couple of thousands rather than what the dealers are saying 450 units to the US.
I could be wrong but it does not make sense for BMW to invest a lot of money in a CS version and limit production significantly and don't make their money back
for the M3/M4 version I think if you add both together , then numbers add up as compared if you look at each one alone .
Keep in mind that they only made 607 M3CS for the US for the 2018 year. So, I doubt that they will make "thousands" of the M5CS.
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Does anyone know if the M5 CS can be leased? The M3 CS could not be leased.
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Does anyone know if the M5 CS can be leased? The M3 CS could not be leased.
Programs have not been release yet so we don't know one way or another. I'm guessing that they learned their lesson from the M3CS and will have lease programs for the M5 variant.
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Does anyone know if the M5 CS can be leased? The M3 CS could not be leased.
Not originally but then they woke up and leased them like crazy - in the end most 3CS were leased not bought.
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Wat? The M5 CS weighs “only” about 4000lbs? So they cut like 300lbs from the regular M5 competition....how?
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Wat? The M5 CS weighs “only” about 4000lbs? So they cut like 300lbs from the regular M5 competition....how?


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Keep in mind that they only made 607 M3CS for the US for the 2018 year. So, I doubt that they will make "thousands" of the M5CS.
Yes , but if you add the M4CS which is essentially the same car and was built over 2 model years , then the number will probably be closer to couple of thousands.
So I see them doing same with M5CS.
I don't know that for sure , but making a smart guess
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Keep in mind that they only made 607 M3CS for the US for the 2018 year. So, I doubt that they will make "thousands" of the M5CS.
Yes , but if you add the M4CS which is essentially the same car and was built over 2 model years , then the number will probably be closer to couple of thousands.
So I see them doing same with M5CS.
I don't know that for sure , but making a smart guess
BMW never claimed that the M4CS would be built in limited numbers. It was build for more than one model year so I don't see how you can include that in any comparison.
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I will make a smart guess knowing the brand for a long time ... BMW will produce a bunch meaning couple of thousands rather than what the dealers are saying 450 units to the US.
I could be wrong but it does not make sense for BMW to invest a lot of money in a CS version and limit production significantly and don't make their money back
for the M3/M4 version I think if you add both together , then numbers add up as compared if you look at each one alone .
They only made ~500 M2 CSs, and that had a bespoke roof and hood, plus countless hours tuning the suspension for adaptive dampers.

So yes they would sell a few only.
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I will make a smart guess knowing the brand for a long time ... BMW will produce a bunch meaning couple of thousands rather than what the dealers are saying 450 units to the US.
I could be wrong but it does not make sense for BMW to invest a lot of money in a CS version and limit production significantly and don't make their money back
for the M3/M4 version I think if you add both together , then numbers add up as compared if you look at each one alone .
Not necessarily. The M5 CS was not just thought of during the middle of the G30 lifecycle, the entire 5er was planned to include a 5er, M5 and CS variants so pricing of all models would have likely covered any cost and R&D.

Can't say the same for the U.S market or any market for that matter but Canada is only getting 25 units so it's possible M5 CS production is fixed. Product bulletin has stated that production would run from March - June 2021.
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I will make a smart guess knowing the brand for a long time ... BMW will produce a bunch meaning couple of thousands rather than what the dealers are saying 450 units to the US.
I could be wrong but it does not make sense for BMW to invest a lot of money in a CS version and limit production significantly and don't make their money back
for the M3/M4 version I think if you add both together , then numbers add up as compared if you look at each one alone .
Not necessarily. The M5 CS was not just thought of during the middle of the G30 lifecycle, the entire 5er was planned to include a 5er, M5 and CS variants so pricing of all models would have likely covered any cost and R&D.

Can't say the same for the U.S market or any market for that matter but Canada is only getting 25 units so it's possible M5 CS production is fixed. Product bulletin has stated that production would run from March - June 2021.
Interesting how they are separating production times by country. Looks like US allocations are for July and November productions.
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