[limeypride]

Originally Posted by KoenG

When you tune the engine, you effectively don't have a leg to stand on and BMW has to be lauded that they have fail safes integrated to prevent you from damaging the car. Is there a counter on the LC also when engine is stock?

: dunno. My guess: probably.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Mcc420

F48 technical training docs https://f48.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1177240

Thanks for posting that. It's the first time I've seen written confirmation (assuming that excerpt wasn't just somebody's copy-and-pasted opinion hence carrying as much credibility as a wiki).

[italiabrain]

Originally Posted by limeypride

LOL

Good luck with that--c'mon, are you going to take on BMW? Show me where it says the transmission won't protect itself

This is very backwards. Show me where they disclosed that an advertised feature would take itself away or expire. This is clearly unethical, and should be illegal if it isn’t.

What if they just straight detuned the engine below advertised peak hp or removed the S3 transmission setting to “prevent advanced wear” (read: prevent warranty claims related to using an advertised feature). They are simply betting the money they will save on one end will outweigh any financial risk on the other.

What right does BMW have to remove a feature we ostensibly paid for to save themselves from warranty claims, especially when that removal continues beyond any warranty period and we’re not allowed to decide to be okay taking the risk?

[AHall]

Originally Posted by italiabrain

This is very backwards. Show me where they disclosed that an advertised feature would take itself away or expire. This is clearly unethical, and should be illegal if it isn’t.

What if they just straight detuned the engine below advertised peak hp or removed the S3 transmission setting to “prevent advanced wear” (read: prevent warranty claims related to using an advertised feature). They are simply betting the money they will save on one end will outweigh any financial risk on the other.

What right does BMW have to remove a feature we ostensibly paid for to save themselves from warranty claims, especially when that removal continues beyond any warranty period and we’re not allowed to decide to be okay taking the risk?

Well they are "reportedly" doing just that in Europe by reducing the exhaust volume. Some owners reportedly purchased a M5 based partly on the exhaust note and after delivery the exhaust note was reduced without their consent and knowledge.

[marcvtec]

Guess I'm saving my launches for only cars that I know are LC against me

[Mcc420]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Thanks for posting that. It's the first time I've seen written confirmation (assuming that excerpt wasn't just somebody's copy-and-pasted opinion hence carrying as much credibility as a wiki).

https://f48.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...8;d=1443221524


Keep in mind this is the x1. But I wouldn't be surprised if this is across all their platforms.

[EPTXM5]

The hellcat and demon use the zf hp90 and are not limited to the number of LC. That transmission can take a beating even with way more than stock power. My HC was around 900hp and never an issue w the transmission. My friends demon is running 8.9 in the 1/4 and the tranny has never had an issue. What breaks on these cars are the rear ends or stock driveshaft.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by italiabrain

This is very backwards. Show me where they disclosed that an advertised feature would take itself away or expire. This is clearly unethical, and should be illegal if it isn’t.

What if they just straight detuned the engine below advertised peak hp or removed the S3 transmission setting to “prevent advanced wear” (read: prevent warranty claims related to using an advertised feature). They are simply betting the money they will save on one end will outweigh any financial risk on the other.

What right does BMW have to remove a feature we ostensibly paid for to save themselves from warranty claims, especially when that removal continues beyond any warranty period and we’re not allowed to decide to be okay taking the risk?

See the new posts. They show exactly that.

I don't like it either but it is what it is.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by EPTXM5

The hellcat and demon use the zf hp90 and are not limited to the number of LC. That transmission can take a beating even with way more than stock power. My HC was around 900hp and never an issue w the transmission. My friends demon is running 8.9 in the 1/4 and the tranny has never had an issue. What breaks on these cars are the rear ends or stock driveshaft.

Sounds right to me. Since they can't hobble the mechanicals, they do it upstream. Bummer.

[gpdriver17]

Originally Posted by Mcc420

F48 technical training docs https://f48.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1177240

Would have been nice to know I needed to ration them a while ago. How can they get away with this? The car is basically 20% slower to 60 now. That's the last nail in the coffin for this car. Placing an order for the Model S Plaid and putting it on swapalease tonight.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by gpdriver17

Would have been nice to know I needed to ration them a while ago. How can they get away with this? The car is basically 20% slower to 60 now. That's the last nail in the coffin for this car. Placing an order for the Model S Plaid and putting it on swapalease tonight.

Really? I'm not sure this car was ever right for you if you can trade it in for a statistic. I like the numbers, too, but the visceral experience is THE deciding factor for me.

I wish you luck (and may one day join you there in our pair of AA-powered pocket rockets).

[GTATX]

So let me understand this affects 2018 to 2021 or per LCI only?

[euro*]

This is f**ked uppppp

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by limeypride

See the new posts. They show exactly that.

I don't like it either but it is what it is.

Yes, but they should have it explicitly in writing then and part of the selling contract! Also, you should be able to consult the counter. When I buy a CPO M5, is there still something left on the counter and how much?

To me, when the answer is "no" it's not in the contract and "no" you can't consult it, they would better not have integrated a LC at all in the first place.

I agree with you that there is much more to this car to enjoy, but that is not a legal redemption for an explicit diminishing function that they even promote in their glossy brochures.

[italiabrain]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Really? I'm not sure this car was ever right for you if you can trade it in for a statistic. I like the numbers, too, but the visceral experience is THE deciding factor for me.

I wish you luck (and may one day join you there in our pair of AA-powered pocket rockets).

Do you really not think launch control affects “the experience”?

Kind of a sidebar, but I agree with the Tesla move not making a ton of sense from the M5 unless you stop the comparison at “fast 4 door”. The materials, build, and experience are night and day different. Panamera or Taycan would make more sense IMO.

[italiabrain]

Originally Posted by KoenG

Yes, but they should have it explicitly in writing then and part of the selling contract! Also, you should be able to consult the counter. When I buy a CPO M5, is there still something left on the counter and how much?

To me, when the answer is "no" it's not in the contract and "no" you can't consult it, they would better not have integrated a LC at all in the first place.

I agree with you that there is much more to this car to enjoy, but that is not a legal redemption for an explicit diminishing function that they even promote in their glossy brochures.

Ditto, 100%

[gpdriver17]

Originally Posted by italiabrain

Do you really not think launch control affects “the experience”?

Kind of a sidebar, but I agree with the Tesla move not making a ton of sense from the M5 unless you stop the comparison at “fast 4 door”. The materials, build, and experience are night and day different. Panamera or Taycan would make more sense IMO.

I agree the Panamera or Taycan make more sense to some. I bought this car 100% for the speed though. I work from home and basically only go for drives when I want some adrenalin. The new Model S Plaid is miles ahead of everything in terms of acceleration. 0-100mph in < 4 seconds is likely. It'll probably get old, it only has one trick. But sounds fun to me right now.

[gpdriver17]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Really? I'm not sure this car was ever right for you if you can trade it in for a statistic. I like the numbers, too, but the visceral experience is THE deciding factor for me.

I wish you luck (and may one day join you there in our pair of AA-powered pocket rockets).

Launch control ruined me. Now every time I want to do it, I just end up frustrated with the lag between shifts. Why pay all this money for a car that can't beat a tuned M340 or model y performance (had this happen last week) from 0-80mph?

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by gpdriver17

Launch control ruined me. Now every time I want to do it, I just end up frustrated with the lag between shifts. Why pay all this money for a car that can't beat a tuned M340 or model y performance (had this happen last week) from 0-80mph?

Yup. I hear all of you... perhaps it's because I've had a couple of years to learn to live with it but it's not a deciding factor for me.

Of course, I'd be much happier with full LC but c'est la vie.

[Simon H]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Thanks for posting that. It's the first time I've seen written confirmation (assuming that excerpt wasn't just somebody's copy-and-pasted opinion hence carrying as much credibility as a wiki).

That was posted nearly 6 years ago, for an X1, have BMW, technology, and times not changed since then ?.

[Quinn A]

Wow.

[GhostOne_322]

I've never formally launched my M5...