[Boss330]

Originally Posted by MParallel

I feel you.

Reason I am treasuring my old, and now 'slow', but mint E36 M3. Driving that just feel special with that bespoke gem of an engine.

Interestingly the US version of the E36 M3 used a slightly tuned M50 engine and not the S50 that Europe and ROW got.

[Jez_zza]

Originally Posted by somer

Yikes, somehow missed the pricing on the car of €117,900 (138561.97 US dollars). Don't really have any words... Loaded, ceramics, comp package, sports exhaust, you're talking 160k+ here most likely......

I also miss-interpreted this info in carscoop. This price would be for a loaded M5 in Germany ( doubt the ceramic will be included though )

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

After giving the new F90 M5 a deeper analysis and reading everything I can and watching all of the videos, I have compiled my own personal following list that I'd like to share with the community. If you don't want to read through the entire list, I will tell you now that my ultimate conclusion is that while the new F90 M5 is certainly a step forward in overall performance it is not enough to appeal to a previous F10 M5 owner like myself to be compelled to buy one right away, not like the F10 M5 was over E60 M5, and the same with the E60 M5 over the E39 M5.

my list of praises and grievances:

2. Weight reduction. Aluminum Hood, Carbon Fiber Roof, all Aluminum suspension components. These are all the the right moves and all things that made the F10 M5 so heavy. Still, there was much more room for improvement, such as aluminum doors for all 4 doors, carbon fiber trunk, carbon fiber drive shaft, etc... Even my 2017 Chevy Bolt EV has all aluminum hood and doors for crying out loud and man they are light too!

10. Carbon Fiber Engine Plenum Cover. Finally a carbon fiber piece from the factory. I guess since they couldn't put a Carbon Fiber front strut brace in the M5 like they do on the F80 M3, they at least gave the M5 a nice looking plenum cover.

2. ZF8 Auto Transmission. I know that it will be a fine transmission but there's just no arguing against the shift times of the MDCT.

6. Wheel Design. It looks OK to me, nothing that really excites me. I hate to say that I'm already looking forward to the Competition Package Wheel design which will be different.

7. Steering Wheel Design. Same basic steering wheel design as the G30 and the G11 for that matter. I know this happened on the F10 M5 as well for the 2013 Model Year, but why can't they introduce a bespoke steering wheel right from the beginning with every new generation of M5? Now we all know the Competition Package will have a better and more sportier steering wheel design in the future, which kind of frustrates me.

What I hate:

E60 introduced Aluminum suspension and the ENTIRE Front Clip was Aluminum, not just the panels.

F10 Had Aluminum Doors, fenders, Hood, and suspension. G30 includes the trunk, roof with sunroof, and adds magnesium structural supports. F90 adds a carbon roof in addition to everything else.

Which Plenum Cover? Standard (red car) or the optional one (blue car)?

Indeed no argument. F10 M DCT was 80ms at its fastest. The F90 has cut that by more than 1/3.

Wheel design...yeah I can't disagree on this one. The spoke geometry from the radial midpoint inwards to the hub has no words. There's a reason why they're not in a light color.

Go back to 1998 and have a peek at every model intro and facelift since. The cost for a bespoke steering wheel would be insane. Regulatory compliance is not cheap, especially when you spread the costs over 90% fewer vehicles.

[somer]

Originally Posted by Jez_zza

I also miss-interpreted this info in carscoop. This price would be for a loaded M5 in Germany ( doubt the ceramic will be included though )

The new BMW M5 will go on sale from spring 2018 at a basic price of
€117,900. An exclusively equipped First Edition will likewise be available
from spring 2018 for an extra €19,500.

Straight from the press release PDF.

[eclipxe]

Originally Posted by somer

The new BMW M5 will go on sale from spring 2018 at a basic price of
€117,900. An exclusively equipped First Edition will likewise be available
from spring 2018 for an extra €19,500.

Straight from the press release PDF.

Originally Posted by somer

The new BMW M5 will go on sale from spring 2018 at a basic price of
€117,900. An exclusively equipped First Edition will likewise be available
from spring 2018 for an extra €19,500.

Straight from the press release PDF.

The UK pricing guide is here:

https://m.bmw.co.uk/bmw/bmw-cars/m-s...st_2017_v2.pdf

69k pounds excluding vat.

[eclipxe]

Originally Posted by eclipxe

The UK pricing guide is here:

https://m.bmw.co.uk/bmw/bmw-cars/m-s...st_2017_v2.pdf

69k pounds excluding vat.

£87,160 with VAT

[somer]

Originally Posted by eclipxe

The UK pricing guide is here:

https://m.bmw.co.uk/bmw/bmw-cars/m-s...st_2017_v2.pdf

69k pounds excluding vat.

Excellent, thanks.

[Jez_zza]

Originally Posted by eclipxe

£87,160 with VAT

From 73,985£ for the F10 to 87,160£ for the F90 would represent 18% increase ... that's a hell of a jump

[infamousq]

Originally Posted by somer

Yikes, somehow missed the pricing on the car of €117,900 (138561.97 US dollars). Don't really have any words... Loaded, ceramics, comp package, sports exhaust, you're talking 160k+ here most likely......

I doubt that will be the price for here the E63S starts at $104k so I feel the M5 will come in around the same. now fully loaded $140k-$150k easily.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by infamousq

I doubt that will be the price for here the E63S starts at $104k so I feel the M5 will come in around the same. now fully loaded $140k-$150k easily.

$150k for sure. Even with a higher residual of up to 58% one would still lose $63k in only 3 years. That's horrible.

[M4_Ronin]

Que all the ///M550i trade in's

[infamousq]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

$150k for sure. Even with a higher residual of up to 58% one would still lose $63k in only 3 years. That's horrible.

Horrible and expected, the way these cars lose value is ridiculous....

[MistaVauros]

Rear of the M5 looks like an M3, which is a terrible design choice for the new M5. To me, this is pure laziness and an attempt to streamline the M brand across the board. Why not give a 3.2 sec monster its own identity?! The rear is going to take a lot of aftermarket treatment in the form of spoilers, lower diffuser, etc, to achieve a proper look for a car of this stature.

Aside from the rear, I'm ok with the rest of the car. However, my F10 M5 will continue to turn heads even after this car hits the road because the look is perfect with the carbon mods installed on it.

But, damn, dropping from a 3.8 sec to a 3.2 sec 0-60 is freaking insane!

[SilverRevlis]

I don't understand why I'm seeing people compare this to a Tesla! Take a turn in the Tesla while you are on the M5's bumper and let me know how that goes after you find your tow hook to get towed out of the gravel trap! The Tesla is fast in a straight line....yes, but there is much more to a car than just that in terms of performance.

[Acexxon]

Originally Posted by JTO24

Hey, at least there's another rear reflector opportunity for you!

I don't know if there's going to be enough demand for them...

Working on other parts for M2

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by Acexxon

I don't know if there's going to be enough demand for them...

Working on other parts for M2

Good, because I have a deposit down for an M2

[Acexxon]

Originally Posted by JTO24

Good, because I have a deposit down for an M2

CS?

[antzcrashing]

The 795 dollar blackout grill nearly rescues this car

[E39hijinks]

I like it and praise the inclusion of a traditional auto tranny (tuned aggressively of course)

This car is first and foremost a luxurious cruiser. With a wall of torque. So a fully torque converted auto tranny makes sense. I'm sure nobody will even detect any difference between this and a DCT. And this tranny will be more mod friendly.

[SDRX]

Anyone else think the UK pricing of this car is ridiculous ? I think to the extent it may not sell well at all without huge discounts ?

People have money but many of them aren't stupid nor blind to the offerings elsewhere in the £90k region

I'm a pure BMW fan, it's in my blood, but they've got the initial asking price wrong by about £10k

[raysspl]

Those seats look mad chunky

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by Acexxon

CS?

Na just base.. I'd be like number 6 or 7 on my dealer's list for the CS. I'm #1 for their next base allocation.