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To be honest, after owning a 400+hp/600Nm turbo-upgraded RWD 335i, I think an AWD system is not quite bad for a high-powered car. It could actually improve real-world driving by quite a lot.
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05-04-2016, 08:23 AM | #91 |
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The M5 is a heavy car, if it uses the 7 series carbon technology it will get a weight reduction. xDrive would add the weight back in. Maybe xDrive will be an option for the F90 M5 LCI.
Guys are pushing 900HP+ on their RWD M5 nowadays, the key would be wider tires to hold more power (600HP). My M5 traction is terrible, it's fun but not fast as it could be. 325 rear tires would be great.
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The current generation M5 in competition package form makes a BMW claimed 580 horsepower. If BMW isn't going to go over 600hp, then a 20hp bump really won't make a difference in terms of how fast the rear tires light up. Hopefully, 500+ ft lbs of torque aren't available right off idle. That should help control wheel spin. Shouldn't we be more worried about how much torque this thing is going to put out if we are worried about wheel spin?
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IMO, they should keep the M5 with the same powertrain/engine giving it a small boost to around 600+hp, add stickier and bigger tires for more grip, keep it RWD, reduce the weight of the car using the new advancements in carbon core technology they used in the 7 Series, and overall improve the handling characteristics through chasis/suspension/steering tuning.
Doing the above should put them ahead of the next generation competition and overall provide a more fun drive for enthusiasts.
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I'm hoping BMW will build all of the M cars with the option of rear-bias M xDrive!
I'm awaiting an M4 Competition Package with M xDrive that would be my dream car!!! |
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But wow, I can't believe the GT350 have such wide front tires. Probably to reduce understeer, but 305 front isn't ideal for highway driving. I think 325 rear and 275 front should be good.
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Even my non M5 F10 (with CP anti roll bars) is a blast to throw around on a track and get the rear end to step out. As well as when driving on snow during winter time It's not difficult to do even though the car is heavy. RWD is so much more fun than AWD It's just awesome to keep the drift by adjusting the throttle and feel the car dance and keep the tail out! My F10 is much easier to control than my 1200kg Ford Sierra RS Cosworth... Last edited by Boss330; 05-04-2016 at 04:11 PM.. |
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Awd is just so much fun. I'm a little disappointed. I would love this. Immediate power all the time.
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AWD can be fun, but isn't usually considered as a fun option. It's better for traction under acceleration but not much else. But a setup like the new Focus RS seem to work great. But that system was developed to make a fwd car feel like a RWD car. They rejected the existing systems as used by Audi (and for instance in the A45 AMG) as they where to front biased and boring to drive... BMW and particularly BMW M, is based around RWD agility and fun factor. And even at the current M5 power levels, the M5 is still quicker on a track than it's AWD competitors... |
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I think the key word there is "was". Because today, BMWs are not about handling and sporty drive - at least from the reviews I've read and the 3/4/5/6/7 series I've driven.
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Whats this debate all for? Guys complaining about BMW selling out for AWD? Guys complaining about the necessity for AWD?
1st.... isn't this topic about the next gen being RWD only? 2nd... When it does finally arrive, we STILL have the option of RWD. Calm your tits people. As much as I consider myself a purist for high HP 4 door RWD sedans, after owning a 650-700HP M5, I'm actually excited for an AWD version, given it's OPTIONAL. More options never hurt anyone, except your competition. After 600HP, you won't be locking in any serious power off a dig or slow speed roll in these cars, and honestly... it's getting annoying. |
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Good. Keep the stick option too
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What you said brings up no point about drifting or hooning a 2 ton $100k sedan. That behavior is irrelevant to the discussion. Face it, the reason that BMW has sold so many cars is that they have become much LESS hardcore, not MORE. The more of a comfy hot rod they make it, the more they sell, and that's a fact. So not sure what you're LYFAO about, but if it's me, time for a reality check. |
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Also one thing bugs me, many of you mentioned snow and M5, hell why do you want drive lowered high-performance car on snow in first place? If i live in snowy place, i would rather look for some real off road car, like Mercedes G, Land Rover etc, not low profile tyre monster. |
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