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      01-28-2020, 06:14 AM   #23
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Awesome awesome video!

Best Overall: My overall pick would be the E60 because of that V10.

Best Steering Feel: E39 M5

Best Handling: The F10 wins for best handling. Many people don't realize the weight distribution in the F90 is 55/45 where as the F10 is 52/48 and yes it makes a difference. And I agree with Tiff that the F10 was a big step up in handling from the E60 even though the F10 weighed 400lbs more. And for those of you that don't like math, the F90 M5 is about 132lbs/60kgs more nose heavy than the F10 M5. The next time you go to the gym, try benching 132lbs and imagine holding that over the nose of your car while your in a turn.

Best Looking: E28 hands down wins for best looking M5.

Best Comfort: E60 wins again for best comfort, those Comfort Seats (Not the Sport Seats which were in the E60 M5 they drove in the video) in the E60 are the best I've ever experienced in any car I've ever driven, period.

Best Tech: E60 with those Active Seats. You could see the TIFF's reaction again when he hits that M button.

Best Exhaust Note: E60 because Racecar

Best Utility and every day grocery getter: F90 because ZF8 Auto and AWD.

Best Nissan GTR bruiser: F90 because MxDrive

Best stop light racer: F90 because MxDrive

Best inspiring exterior design: E39 M5. It's reach classic status and isn't even 30 years old yet.

Least inspiring exterior design: F90 M5. It's like an F10 M5 and an F85 X5M got together and made a bastard child.

Most special M5: E61 Estate M5. I mean its a BMW station wagon with a 5.0L V10 in it. That kind of car will never be made again.


Rumors are the next generation GXX M5 will be the first full hybrid ///M car ever. BMW has already admitted that the V8 has an expiration date. We will probably see some form of an In-line 6-cylinder engine paired with electric motors and a battery pack in the next BMW M5. Expect fuel economy to dramatically increase and performance too. Problem is still weight, God knows how much that Porsche Panamera E-Hybrid weighs. Even the new Porsche Taycan is 5,100lbs. The future is interesting for sure. Until then, 600+hp Flat Plane Crank Naturally Aspirated V8 engine revving to over 8,000rpm in the 2021 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 anyone? Hell yes.


And anybody who says the ZF8 in the F90 shifts just as quick as the DCT in the F10 needs to get their head examined. You could literally see Tiff's reaction when he shifted gears in the F90.

No way in hell the best handling is the M5 F10. Stock for Stock, the M5 F10 was rubbish. Suspension was far too wallowy and the car would break traction all the time. It pains me to say this, but I have owned a F10, a F06, a W212 AMG and a C218 AMG, and the CLS C218 was better than the F10 at handling. The stock 2013 F10 M5 was a joke. I will concede there is a massive leap in the Competition package, but it stills has traction issues, far too much weight, etc.

M6 GC was far better, and the M5 F90 is hands down a lot superior. The M XDrive is extremely clever to the point, you can enter corners like a frothing lunatic, with your throttle hard pressed and the system uses the traction to get out on the other side. It has a far more rigid and playful chassis compared to the F10.
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nice video thanks for sharing it
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One of the big reasons that I went for the F90 is because I think they finally took some queues from the E39 and made the design look a bit more classic again. The last two M5s were abortions IMO. The F90 is a modern interpretation of the E39 if you ask me, with a little all weather performance thrown in for good measure.
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I'm obviously biased but the E60 was an absolute POS other than the engine.

Generally not a fan of any Bangle era'd BMWs but the E60 is the one that I will never be a fan of.

I think the E39 ticked all the right boxes for an M5 hence why it's held with such regard these days.
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Had a 6spd E60, liked it alot. Like my F10 a lot more. Really wish I could have a pristine E34. I love its classic look, more than the E39. The E39 front end looks really dated to me. Auto transmission kills the F90 for me. And that God awful shifter... Uggh what were they thinking? Smh
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And anybody who says the ZF8 in the F90 shifts just as quick as the DCT in the F10 needs to get their head examined. You could literally see Tiff's reaction when he shifted gears in the F90.
^ This

To me, BMW moving away from DCT for their ///M cars is a huge disappointment. The clutch packs inside a planetary auto are simply not stout enough to handle an all out WOT powershift. You can see the heads of the two gentlemen bob forward as the ZF8 upshifts (at 14:55 in the video), which means there is an interruption in acceleration as the ECU cuts back engine power during the upshift. On a DCT, there's actually a surge in acceleration during the upshift as the transmission recuperates the inertia of the engine RPM drop. Further, a planetary auto has much more rotating inertia than a DCT, which makes for a more sluggish drivetrain. But I guess it does not matter as much on a big heavy AWD car.

While planetary automatics have significantly closed the gap with DCT in terms of performance, they are still not on par. This is why top level sport/super/hyper cars use DCT. For me, the DCT was an important differentiator that BMW had versus the competition. This advantage is now gone .
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E39 was the best car I have ever owned and I have had quite the selection.

My E39 was Stage 3 Dinan (everything Dinan)
Wheels, brakes, interior, super charger, rear end, flywheel, intake, suspension, motor internals, headers, exhaust, clutch, and so on.

I beat the shit out of that thing for 30k miles and never even a hiccup. And to top it off it sounded like a Nascar.

I regret selling it! It's like that one girl you always wish you would have stayed with but you moved on. You may love your current one but you'll always wonder about the old one.. lol

Yea, I'm crying a little bit inside right now
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The F90 is a modern interpretation of the E39 if you ask me, with a little all-weather performance thrown in for good measure.
Yes, I owned a 2003 E39 M5 and I agree 100%.
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I have seen this video many times and the F90 M5 is still the best looking to me.
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