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      02-14-2020, 02:08 PM   #9527
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DOD funds are not earmarked to pay for Medicare, never was never will be. DOD cash goes towards protecting the Homeland from let’s say MS13 and their ilk, potential terrorists crossing our borders, fentanyl and other poisons killing our children and so much more. Too bad you guys on the left don’t care to protect all our families from bad people who hurt us and our kids every single day. Funny how when oboma was stopping and deporting tens of thousands of them nobody on the left whined, just proving everything it politicized by the left.
That's because he wasn't on TV calling them rapists and stoking fear. The overwhelming majority of people coming over the border illegally are simply looking for a better life and the overwhelming majority of violent crimes in the US are perpetrated by good ole US citizens. It's fear-mongering, plain and simple. Also, visa overstays have outnumbered illegal border crossings by half a million since 2007, and most of them come via airplane.

Show me some proof that terrorists have crossed our southern border. Last time I checked, the worst terrorists in US history came over on airplanes and trained at a US flight school. The Vegas shooter was as American as apple pie. Columbine? American. Sandy Hook? American. Opioid epidemic? USA! USA! USA!

The evil from within poses a much greater risk to "all our families from bad people who hurt us and our kids every single day."
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Where does fentynal come from again?

8 grains = night night

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https://www.stripes.com/news/us/espe...ority-1.618614

Esper defends stripping Stars and Stripes of all funding, says news organization is not a priority

By COREY DICKSTEIN | STARS AND STRIPES
Published: February 13, 2020

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Mark Esper on Thursday defended the Pentagon’s effort to strip Stars and Stripes of all of its federal funding as part of its fiscal year 2021 budget request, telling reporters in Brussels that the independent news organization is not a priority.

“So, we trimmed the support for Stars and Stripes because we need to invest that money, as we did with many, many other programs, into higher-priority issues,” Esper said during a news conference at NATO headquarters. He listed space, nuclear programs, hypersonic missiles and “a variety of systems” as places the money — slightly more than $15.5 million — could be reinvested in the $705.4 billion Defense Department spending proposal.

Pentagon officials acknowledged Wednesday for the first time that the budget proposal completely cuts the subsidy that the department provides Stars and Stripes to print and distribute newspapers to troops deployed around the world, including remote and often-dangerous locations in places such as Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

Stars and Stripes receives about $8.7 million annually in operations and maintenance funds and about $6.9 million in contingency operations funds, said Marine Lt. Col. Chris Logan, a spokesman for Deputy Defense Secretary David Norquist.

The cut to Stars and Stripes’ annual Pentagon subsidy equals about half of the news organization’s annual funds to pay expenses. Stars and Stripes’ remaining money comes from sales, subscriptions and advertising.

Pentagon officials confirmed Monday that the budget request would cut at least some funding to Stars and Stripes, but they declined to provide monetary figures attached to the proposal. Stars and Stripes’ leadership was informed of the proposed cuts by Pentagon leadership also Monday, after The Wall Street Journal reported the news organization was eyed for a funding reduction.

Stars and Stripes first appeared during the Civil War, and it has been published continuously since World War II. It produces daily newspapers for U.S. military troops around the world and operates a website that is updated with news 24 hours per day. Though it is part of the Pentagon’s Defense Media Activity, Stripes retains its editorial independence and is congressionally mandated to be governed by First Amendment principles.

In Logan’s statement Wednesday, he acknowledged Stars and Stripes’ value during its seven decades of continuous service to the U.S. military community.

“Their hard work and dedication in reporting on issues that matter the most to the military community continues to be of value,” he said. “However, as we look forward to the current budget proposal and beyond, the DOD must prioritize spending to support our warfighters in the most critical areas of need. Therefore, the department has made the difficult decision that, beginning in fiscal year 2021, it will no longer provide appropriated funds to Stars and Stripes.”

The news organization’s value to American troops has been proven, said Ernie Gates, Stars and Stripes’ ombudsman. He said the newspaper not only provides service members “a little piece of home” or a “welcome diversion” from tough missions, but it also provides independent, free-flowing information that they need to exercise their rights as Americans.

The proposal has received pushback from varying directions, including a former commander, lawmakers and a key journalism advocacy-and-education organization, the Society of Professional Journalists.

SPJ called on Esper to rethink the funding cut to Stars and Stripes, which it said would be “a huge disservice to the men and women who serve our country” who rely on the physical newspaper in areas where they cannot access the internet.

“Since it was first published during the Civil War, Stars and Stripes has been a balanced and objective source of information for members of the military,” SPJ National President Patricia Gallagher Newberry said Wednesday in the statement. “Its ability to inform troops about issues important to them must not be hindered.”

Military veteran lawmakers Rep. Gil Cisneros, D-Calif., and Rep. Ruben Gallego, D-Ariz., tweeted their support for Stars and Stripes this week.

“Stars & Stripes was a link to home when I was in Iraq and Okinawa,” wrote Gallego, a Marine veteran. “It’s an A+ indie take on everyday DoD news, f*** ups, and Administration & General Officer BS. No wonder this President wants to cut it. He’s got a fight on his hands.”

Cisneros, a Navy veteran, wrote Stars and Stripes “provides a crucial voice on the DOD, VA, and other military matters.”

“We need their reporting,” he tweeted.

Other members of Congress reached this week for comment said they needed to take a close look at budget documents before speaking. One member expected to be briefed on the Stars and Stripes funding proposal this week.

In an email, a former top commander of American and NATO troops in Europe defended Stars and Stripes.

“Every day in my office as commander [of] U.S. European Command, I would read Stars and Stripes,” said retired Navy Adm. James Stavridis, who served as EUCOM chief and NATO Supreme Allied Command from 2009 to 2013. “It was an invaluable, unbiased, and highly professional source of information which was critical to me in my role overseeing U.S. military throughout Europe.”

Stars and Stripes reporters Slobodan Lekic and John Vandiver contributed to this report.

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Show me some proof that terrorists have crossed our southern border.
Ask and you shall receive. I found these within 10 minutes. I am sure there are many more:

Mahmoud Youssef Kourani: Kourani and another Middle Easterner secured a Mexican guide who escorted them north. Kourani entered America in a car trunk in February 2001. He eventually settled among Lebanese immigrants in Dearborn, Mich., where he raised money for Hezbollah. Kourani pleaded guilty in March 2005 to giving material support to terrorists.

Adnan El Shukrijumah: Khalid Sheik Mohammed yielded Shukrijumah’s name. American diplomats in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, were tipped off to “suspect Arab extremists who have been smuggled through Mexico across the United States/Mexico border,” according to a declassified State Department document released to Judicial Watch. “The confidential source stated his family member, who is a human trafficker, knows the exact whereabouts of three Arabs who are currently being hidden in Agua Prieta, Sonora, Mexico,” just across the border from Douglas, Ariz. One of these three, this record states, is “likely Adnan G. El Shukrijumah, alleged to be a Saudi Arabian terrorist cell leader thought to be in Mexico.” Shukrijumah evaded American authorities for eight years, although he was named in an eleven-count indictment in 2012 for plotting what would have been an attack by three suicide bombers on New York City’s subways. Officials grabbed the three would-be killers before they blasted rush-hour commuters. Shukrijumah eventually escaped the United States and reached the Afghan–Pakistani border, where the Pakistani military fatally shot him in a 2014 raid.

Ahmad Muhammed Dhakane: was a “guerrilla fighter and human smuggler who knowingly helped move into the U.S. several potentially dangerous Somali terrorists who he believed would commit violent acts if ordered to do so,” the Texas Department of Public Safety concluded. Citing federal court documents, at least five of his clients were supporters or members of Al Shabab or associated Somali terror groups — and at least three of them made it into the US. Federal prosecutors stated in Dhakane’s sentencing memorandum: “He admits that he knowingly believed he was smuggling violent jihadists into the United States.” Dhakane told federal agents: “All of these individuals are ready to die for the cause.” Dhakane, a member of the Somali terrorist group Al-Ittihad Al-Islami, furnished bogus passports to his clients, bribed Brazilian immigration authorities to cooperate as his customers traversed that nation en route to the U.S., and trained them to falsify asylum claims once they reached America. Dhakane was arrested on the border, in Brownsville, Texas, in March 2008. Dhakane pleaded guilty to lying on his U.S. asylum application, for which he was sentenced to ten years in prison in April 2011.

Abdullah Omar Fidse: Walked across a bridge over the Rio Grande, from Reynosa, Mexico, to Hidalgo, Texas, he then requested asylum, claiming to be a Somali refugee. While in custody for years as federal officials weighed his case, Fidse told another detainee that he supported al-Qaeda and al-Shabab. His cell-phone memory card included the telephone number of Mohamed Suleiman, subsequently arrested for aiding a 2010 al-Shabab suicide-bomb attack in Kampala, Uganda, which killed 70 soccer fans. Fidse eventually admitted to an undercover informant: “We are terrorists.” As Todd Bensman of the Center for Immigration Studies reports, Fidse “believed all good Muslims must commit two acts of jihad a year.” U.S. officials scotched Fidse’s asylum claim, prosecuted him for lying to federal agents, and sent him to prison for eight years.

Said Jaziri: was in a car trunk trying to enter the U.S. near San Diego when federal officers discovered him on January 11, 2011. Said said that he had traveled from his native Tunisia to Tijuana. He then paid coyotes $5,000 to whisk him north across the southern frontier. France previously had convicted and deported Jaziri for assaulting a Muslim whom Said found insufficiently devout. In 2006, Jaziri had advocated killing Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard for creating what Jaziri considered blasphemous drawings of the Prophet Mohammed.

Mukhtar Ahmad and Muhammad Azeem: Were caught by Border Patrol agents just north of Tijuana in September 2015. The Washington Times reported that databases tied Ahmad to a suspected or confirmed terrorist. An unnamed foreign intelligence agency warned U.S. officials about Azeem as he headed towards this country. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, “both migrants were on U.S. terrorism watch lists.”
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Where does fentynal come from again?

8 grains = night night

Nevermind the pressure/overcrowding on our public infrastructure and schools
Grains you should redo math. Fentanyl is measured in mcg a grain is 65mg. Youre off by over a factor of 1000.
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Where does fentynal come from again?

8 grains = night night

Nevermind the pressure/overcrowding on our public infrastructure and schools
Grains you should redo math. Fentanyl is measured in mcg a grain is 65mg. Your off by over a factor of 1000.
Grains of sand is what they told me in required class for work yesterday. Tiny little white pile on a penny, for reference
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Ask and you shall receive. I found these within 10 minutes. I am sure there are many more:

Mahmoud Youssef Kourani: Kourani and another Middle Easterner secured a Mexican guide who escorted them north. Kourani entered America in a car trunk in February 2001. He eventually settled among Lebanese immigrants in Dearborn, Mich., where he raised money for Hezbollah. Kourani pleaded guilty in March 2005 to giving material support to terrorists.

Adnan El Shukrijumah: Khalid Sheik Mohammed yielded Shukrijumah’s name. American diplomats in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, were tipped off to “suspect Arab extremists who have been smuggled through Mexico across the United States/Mexico border,” according to a declassified State Department document released to Judicial Watch. “The confidential source stated his family member, who is a human trafficker, knows the exact whereabouts of three Arabs who are currently being hidden in Agua Prieta, Sonora, Mexico,” just across the border from Douglas, Ariz. One of these three, this record states, is “likely Adnan G. El Shukrijumah, alleged to be a Saudi Arabian terrorist cell leader thought to be in Mexico.” Shukrijumah evaded American authorities for eight years, although he was named in an eleven-count indictment in 2012 for plotting what would have been an attack by three suicide bombers on New York City’s subways. Officials grabbed the three would-be killers before they blasted rush-hour commuters. Shukrijumah eventually escaped the United States and reached the Afghan–Pakistani border, where the Pakistani military fatally shot him in a 2014 raid.

Ahmad Muhammed Dhakane: was a “guerrilla fighter and human smuggler who knowingly helped move into the U.S. several potentially dangerous Somali terrorists who he believed would commit violent acts if ordered to do so,” the Texas Department of Public Safety concluded. Citing federal court documents, at least five of his clients were supporters or members of Al Shabab or associated Somali terror groups — and at least three of them made it into the US. Federal prosecutors stated in Dhakane’s sentencing memorandum: “He admits that he knowingly believed he was smuggling violent jihadists into the United States.” Dhakane told federal agents: “All of these individuals are ready to die for the cause.” Dhakane, a member of the Somali terrorist group Al-Ittihad Al-Islami, furnished bogus passports to his clients, bribed Brazilian immigration authorities to cooperate as his customers traversed that nation en route to the U.S., and trained them to falsify asylum claims once they reached America. Dhakane was arrested on the border, in Brownsville, Texas, in March 2008. Dhakane pleaded guilty to lying on his U.S. asylum application, for which he was sentenced to ten years in prison in April 2011.

Abdullah Omar Fidse: Walked across a bridge over the Rio Grande, from Reynosa, Mexico, to Hidalgo, Texas, he then requested asylum, claiming to be a Somali refugee. While in custody for years as federal officials weighed his case, Fidse told another detainee that he supported al-Qaeda and al-Shabab. His cell-phone memory card included the telephone number of Mohamed Suleiman, subsequently arrested for aiding a 2010 al-Shabab suicide-bomb attack in Kampala, Uganda, which killed 70 soccer fans. Fidse eventually admitted to an undercover informant: “We are terrorists.” As Todd Bensman of the Center for Immigration Studies reports, Fidse “believed all good Muslims must commit two acts of jihad a year.” U.S. officials scotched Fidse’s asylum claim, prosecuted him for lying to federal agents, and sent him to prison for eight years.

Said Jaziri: was in a car trunk trying to enter the U.S. near San Diego when federal officers discovered him on January 11, 2011. Said said that he had traveled from his native Tunisia to Tijuana. He then paid coyotes $5,000 to whisk him north across the southern frontier. France previously had convicted and deported Jaziri for assaulting a Muslim whom Said found insufficiently devout. In 2006, Jaziri had advocated killing Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard for creating what Jaziri considered blasphemous drawings of the Prophet Mohammed.

Mukhtar Ahmad and Muhammad Azeem: Were caught by Border Patrol agents just north of Tijuana in September 2015. The Washington Times reported that databases tied Ahmad to a suspected or confirmed terrorist. An unnamed foreign intelligence agency warned U.S. officials about Azeem as he headed towards this country. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, “both migrants were on U.S. terrorism watch lists.”
Excellent point. A taller, shinier wall would have altered exactly zero of these outcomes.
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Thanks Run Silent and those are just the ones that were caught! We all can be sure others got across without getting captured and are currently active doing their thing or just waiting for the right time.
Some here are so uninformed to know facts which are important to know and so relevant to a topic like this one and are too lazy to research on their own, members like Fact Dodger here and others.
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Please enlighten me on how a bigger wall is the solution to the issues of the southern border. They currently use tunnels, boats, and planes to bring in the people and drugs that aren't simply being driven across the southern border on unchecked trucks and vehicles. This is why we need a SMARTER solution, not a taller one.

Make no mistake, I am NOT for open borders. I just don't believe a taller wall is the answer. I would much rather see the money spent on technology. I think of it like this: you can fight wars with big armies of more men with more guns OR you can fight a smarter war with precision drone strikes and alike. It's old school thinking.
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Please enlighten me on how a bigger wall is the solution to the issues of the southern border. They currently use tunnels, boats, and planes to bring in the people and drugs that aren't simply being driven across the southern border on unchecked trucks and vehicles. This is why we need a SMARTER solution, not a taller one.

Make no mistake, I am NOT for open borders. I just don't believe a taller wall is the answer. I would much rather see the money spent on technology. I think of it like this: you can fight wars with big armies of more men with more guns OR you can fight a smarter war with precision drone strikes and alike. It's old school thinking.
We need both.

Why people don't understand this is beyond me.

Why is it that most who lean left politically and typically vote for larger government programs that are inherently inefficient and cost absurd amounts of money all of a sudden become fiscal hawks when it comes to anything proposed by the opposite political party regarding government spending?

Will a wall stop all problems? Nope. Will it help? you betcha.

Will technology stop all illegal immigration problems? Nope. Will it help? You betcha.

A combination of both is the appropriate solution.
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You actually are actually you are simple enough to believe that??
Just curious. Why do you want illegals coming across our boarders?? Are you an illegal?


You are talking to someone who either can not comprehend reality or hates the country or likely both.
Oh come on, you know when Trump was campaigning you were one of those mindlessly chanting build the wall. He would ask who was going to pay for it and you would chant Mexico!!!

Obviously the money is not coming directly from Medicare or Medicaid. But he is making cuts there and directly funding the wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for with our tax dollars.

Do I think the wall is stupid? Yes. The drugs are still going to come in just as before. It will make absolutely no difference.

Point is, Trump could have made his statements about the wall and building the wall without saying Mexico was going to pay for it. Then he would not be a liar on that point.

The bigger scam is how much the private immigration detention centers are charging the taxpayer daily for housing these people.
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Oh come on, you know when Trump was campaigning you were one of those mindlessly chanting build the wall. He would ask who was going to pay for it and you would chant Mexico!!!

Obviously the money is not coming directly from Medicare or Medicaid. But he is making cuts there and directly funding the wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for with our tax dollars.

Do I think the wall is stupid? Yes. The drugs are still going to come in just as before. It will make absolutely no difference.

Point is, Trump could have made his statements about the wall and building the wall without saying Mexico was going to pay for it. Then he would not be a liar on that point.

The bigger scam is how much the private immigration detention centers are charging the taxpayer daily for housing these people.
The subject is illegal immigration not illegal drugs.
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We need both.

Why people don't understand this is beyond me.
This, just this...
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The subject is illegal immigration not illegal drugs.
Read above. Drugs, guns, people. The wall isn't stopping it. The people are going to the crossings and claiming amnesty.

Anyhow, how many people do you think pay to get smuggled through those tunnels?

Have you seen the videos of how fast Mexicans can cut through the wall?

The worst part of Trump's wall is his ridiculous requirement to be able to see through it. A metal blade and a sawzall have outmatched the wall.

While I think the wall is a stupid solution to the problem, I personally don't care if it gets built or not. Trump's statements about the wall are the issue.

I know you red state guys get all worked up that poor people are coming here to get our benefits. Compare the costs of those benefits to what you are paying to lock them up.
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We need both.

Why people don't understand this is beyond me.

Why is it that most who lean left politically and typically vote for larger government programs that are inherently inefficient and cost absurd amounts of money all of a sudden become fiscal hawks when it comes to anything proposed by the opposite political party regarding government spending?

Will a wall stop all problems? Nope. Will it help? you betcha.

Will technology stop all illegal immigration problems? Nope. Will it help? You betcha.

A combination of both is the appropriate solution.
Yea..I don't get it either. I think its a combination of wanting open borders or being flat out stupid. There are no other choices. BC a wall only stops 90% of illegals these people say they are junk bc 10% of people stillget in.

You know you can not reason with someone like Jerico I don't bother arguing with an of them just like the guy above this post.
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So you want to play games?

HIT!

Border officers to team up with ICE in sanctuary city crackdown.
https://www.axios.com/immigration-ic...c452c0baf.html
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We need both.

Why people don't understand this is beyond me.

Why is it that most who lean left politically and typically vote for larger government programs that are inherently inefficient and cost absurd amounts of money all of a sudden become fiscal hawks when it comes to anything proposed by the opposite political party regarding government spending?

Will a wall stop all problems? Nope. Will it help? you betcha.

Will technology stop all illegal immigration problems? Nope. Will it help? You betcha.

A combination of both is the appropriate solution.

That is hardly unique to either side of the aisle, though.

The GOP has an undeserved reputation (based on recent history) of being "budget hawks", IMO.

They all spend like drunken sailors on shore leave (just for you, buddy) on their own pet projects and interests - only to clutch their pearls at perceived excess going to programs and destinations they don't like.

An admittedly imperfect metric, but it's Saturday morning:

President Donald Trump (R): Total Actual plus Budgeted = $4.040 trillion, a 20% increase.

President Barack Obama (D): Total = $6.785 trillion, a 57% increase.

President George W. Bush (R): Total = $3.293 trillion, a 57% increase.

President Bill Clinton (D): Total = $63 billion surplus, a 1% decrease.

President George H.W. Bush (R): Total = $1.036 trillion, a 36% increase.

President Ronald Reagan (R): Total = $1.412 trillion, a 142% increase.

President Jimmy Carter (D): Total = $253 billion, a 36% increase.

President Gerald Ford (R): Total = $181 billion, a 38% increase.

President Richard Nixon (R): Total = $70 billion, a 20% increase.

President Lyndon B. Johnson (D): Total = $36 billion, an 11% increase.

President John F. Kennedy (D): Total = $18 billion, a 6% increase.

President Dwight Eisenhower (R): Total = $15 billion, a 6% increase.
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Yes both parties spend like drunken saylors. Budgets are "suggested" by the president but ultimately are passed by house/senate with thousands of sweetheart deals for senators/house members constituants'.

I don't see how it can continue even another 10 years.
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Why is it that most who lean left politically and typically vote for larger government programs that are inherently inefficient and cost absurd amounts of money all of a sudden become fiscal hawks when it comes to anything proposed by the opposite political party regarding government spending?
Too funny. Too true.
Like almost any argument with left leaning people, belongs in the Liberal Hypocrisy thread.
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Another big miss. Another big lie.

https://apnews.com/850cf00b403e230809f9d07e2a0a9c7d


WASHINGTON (AP) — On the eve of the New Hampshire primary, President Donald Trump told a rally that people who are in the United States illegally are paying for his Mexico border wall. It was the latest iteration of his effort to convince the public that Mexico is covering the cost, just as he promised throughout his 2016 campaign and since.
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A very good idea

U.S. weighs blocking GE engine sales for China's new airplane: sources https://reut.rs/3200SKt
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Another big miss. Another big lie.

https://apnews.com/850cf00b403e230809f9d07e2a0a9c7d


WASHINGTON (AP) — On the eve of the New Hampshire primary, President Donald Trump told a rally that people who are in the United States illegally are paying for his Mexico border wall. It was the latest iteration of his effort to convince the public that Mexico is covering the cost, just as he promised throughout his 2016 campaign and since.
The worst part is they know it's a lie, and I bet the sycophants in the crowd cheered like their favorite sportsball team just won the championship anyway, didn't they?
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