[snowbimmer]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

Nice to see you on this side of the house again.

They look amazing powder coated black!

Thanks. Still an M5 guy at heart. Part of me wants to keep the 705M's in case I ever get another M5. A 750 hp hybrid might be fun.

Here's a little bit of what I've been doing on the other side of the house:
https://f92.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1966646

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Once you're in, you're never really out!

We shall see how that goes.

Thank you for entertaining me for the last hour and letting us live vicariously through you. I am glad to see your still taking stunningly beautiful and spread out road trips. As I've certainly told you about your other trips before, I love to see owners enjoying the hell out of these cars, and even more so as a family. Thanks for sharing another journey with all of us. That part of the country is so beautiful!

[Used2be]

Originally Posted by snowbimmer

Here's a little bit of what I've been doing on the other side of the house:
https://f92.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1966646

Just came across this post. You do the best travelogue posts! I'll set aside a couple of hours tomorrow when I'm not so tired to peruse all the beautiful pictures and descriptions! This has to be viewed on a computer so the pictures can be full size. Your M850 is lovely, but it seems like a very large car. Does it feel bigger than the M5?

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by Used2be

Just came across this post. You do the best travelogue posts! I'll set aside a couple of hours tomorrow when I'm not so tired to peruse all the beautiful pictures and descriptions! This has to be viewed on a computer so the pictures can be full size. Your M850 is lovely, but it seems like a very large car. Does it feel bigger than the M5?

Seriously worth giving it that time!

[snowbimmer]

Originally Posted by Used2be

Just came across this post. You do the best travelogue posts! I'll set aside a couple of hours tomorrow when I'm not so tired to peruse all the beautiful pictures and descriptions! This has to be viewed on a computer so the pictures can be full size. Your M850 is lovely, but it seems like a very large car. Does it feel bigger than the M5?

Well, jeez. Thanks.

I've talked about the differences on my other travel posts - alot. I'd be glad to share more on the thread referenced above when you finish it. I don't want to be this here.

But, yes, it's a large car. It's long. But, all-wheel steering makes it feel smaller much of the time.

[aalsayye]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

Nice to see you on this side of the house again.

They look amazing powder coated black!

Are they still available? If so, I can DM.

[snowbimmer]

Originally Posted by aalsayye

Are they still available? If so, I can DM.

Yes

[bolrmakr73]

Originally Posted by snowbimmer

I had a 2019 Donington and a 2021 Brands Hatch. Both had the 20" OEM wheels. I bought the BMW winter tire and wheel set: 19" Orbit Grey 705M wheels with Michelin Alpin 5 tires. The fronts were still 9.5" wide, but the tires are 265 instead of 275. The rears are 285s on 10.5" wheels. Tire diameters are the same for both.

Donington
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I then powder coated them gloss black and ran them on the 2021

Brands Hatch
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Now they are looking for a new home because the won't fit on my M850.
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I even bought one set of summer tires to run part time on the 19" 705 set because I liked the 5 spoke look.

I agree they look great. I am definitely interested in giving them a home!!

[AmblerJJJ]

Thanks for this post! I just swapped a 19 M5 (non Comp) with 19” wheels for a 23 M5 Comp with 20” (275 front/285 rear) Michelin summers on it. I previously ran the 2019 with the regular rims swapping Pilot Summers with Michelin Pilot Alpin tires once it got into Nov as the summers were terrible even in cold weather, and they worked fine. Based on the review of the Michelin AS Pilot Sports in the very helpful video above, suspect they will fit my current rims and work good enough in the relatively mild Philadelphia winters, with occasional snow use driving to either downtown Philly or Trenton to get to NYC. Any thoughts either way would be appreciated.

[Luminous]

Originally Posted by AmblerJJJ

Thanks for this post! I just swapped a 19 M5 (non Comp) with 19” wheels for a 23 M5 Comp with 20” (275 front/285 rear) Michelin summers on it. I previously ran the 2019 with the regular rims swapping Pilot Summers with Michelin Pilot Alpin tires once it got into Nov as the summers were terrible even in cold weather, and they worked fine. Based on the review of the Michelin AS Pilot Sports in the very helpful video above, suspect they will fit my current rims and work good enough in the relatively mild Philadelphia winters, with occasional snow use driving to either downtown Philly or Trenton to get to NYC. Any thoughts either way would be appreciated.

I live in NY and daily my M5 on a square set of 285/35R20 Michelin Alpin PA4s. I've been very happy with the tires!

[AmblerJJJ]

Ideally that’s what I would do but they don’t exist! Too late to the game for this year. That’s why I am considering buying the Michelin All seasons.

[totomoto]

I have the same summer setup (9.5 front and 10.5 rear) and I'm switching to the recommended winter tires 265F and 285R. Please check here.

Left is 4x9.5 and right is 9.5F 10.5R

[snowbimmer]

Originally Posted by totomoto

I have the same summer setup (9.5 front and 10.5 rear) and I'm switching to the recommended winter tires 265F and 285R. Please check here.

Left is 4x9.5 and right is 9.5F 10.5R

Holy crap!

I got my staggered set (on the left) for under $3,500 in 2019.
Tires & wheels.

[aalsayye]

Hey everyone, I wanted to circle back to my thread and provide an update.

Firstly, thanks to all for the invaluable advice and help, these were critical in helping me go for a winter tire set. Also, thanks to those who offered to sell me their sets, even though the transactions didn’t work out.

I ended up going for a square set of 275/40R-19 Vredestein Wintac Pro XL tires and I could not be happier about the choice. Over the past 2 days, I have been driving a lot in the snow (I live in the Midwest) with ~4 inches of snow on the road. The tires were stellar in their performance on snowy roads and cold conditions. I would totally recommend this setup to others.

Happy holidays to all!

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by aalsayye

Hey everyone, I wanted to circle back to my thread and provide an update.

Firstly, thanks to all for the invaluable advice and help, these were critical in helping me go for a winter tire set. Also, thanks to those who offered to sell me their sets, even though the transactions didn’t work out.

I ended up going for a square set of 275/40R-19 Vredestein Wintac Pro XL tires and I could not be happier about the choice. Over the past 2 days, I have been driving a lot in the snow (I live in the Midwest) with ~4 inches of snow on the road. The tires were stellar in their performance on snowy roads and cold conditions. I would totally recommend this setup to others.

Happy holidays to all!

So glad you found something that worked for you! Safe travels on your new rubber.

[aalsayye]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

So glad you found something that worked for you! Safe travels on your new rubber.

Thank you!

[aalsayye]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

I thought about something after rereading your post on the other thread. I had mentioned in my earlier post on this thread about being a bit late in the season for the winter tires. I was referring to the exact OE "winter version" of your OE performance summer tires.

For example, I have:

Front: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 275/35/ZR20 (102Y) Extra Load BMW Star Marked OE tire

Rear: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 285/35/ZR20 (104Y) Extra Load BMW Star Marked OE tire

So my "equivalent" front winters would be the Michelin Pro Alpin A5 275/35/ZR20 (102Y) extra load BMW star marked and my rear winters would be Michelin Pro Alpin A5 285/35/ZR20 (104Y) extra load BMW star marked. These are definitely not available anywhere now for the 15 minutes I spent looking. Neither is the exact tire without the BMW star mark. But, if I start playing with the speed and load ratings, I can find winter versions (that are obviously not star marked), but probably sufficient for winter tires. For example, I can find the above referenced winter tire sizes with a "W" rating (168 mph rated vs. the 189 mph "Y" rated tire). Again, this is probably sufficient for most people as a winter tire for normal street use purposes during colder temperatures. How much to vary, if at all, is based on your comfort. I certainly wouldn't go any less than W if you decide to go this route though. I'm generally risk averse, so I don't generally like playing with these parameters personally unless I have no other choice (i.e. my exact tires aren't available, like the position you're in now), but many do. Also, you can play [...]

Hey there, I hope all is well with you (and the other members in this forum)!

Before I ask my question, I want to say that the Verdesteins that I got last year were perfect on my car. The drive in the snow was very comfortable.

Since we’re now back in the tire swapping season, I just took my car to Discount tire for a swap. They indicated that they can’t do the swap because the rear tires are rated at 105 (vs. OEM’s 107) and that it won’t be considered safe to swap, which is why they couldn’t do it. Last year, I did the swap at a BMW dealership and they didn’t mention it.

Is this really a concern? I drove ~2K miles on them in the winter last year with no issues.

[pbonsalb]

Unless you are loading your car to its max curb weight and asking for its maximum performance at that weight, don’t worry. Tire shops have liability. Some are pickier than others.

[aalsayye]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Unless you are loading your car to its max curb weight and asking for its maximum performance at that weight, don’t worry. Tire shops have liability. Some are pickier than others.

Thank you! Definitely not loading the car.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by aalsayye

Hey there, I hope all is well with you (and the other members in this forum)!

Before I ask my question, I want to say that the Verdesteins that I got last year were perfect on my car. The drive in the snow was very comfortable.

Since we’re now back in the tire swapping season, I just took my car to Discount tire for a swap. They indicated that they can’t do the swap because the rear tires are rated at 105 (vs. OEM’s 107) and that it won’t be considered safe to swap, which is why they couldn’t do it. Last year, I did the swap at a BMW dealership and they didn’t mention it.

Is this really a concern? I drove ~2K miles on them in the winter last year with no issues.

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Unless you are loading your car to its max curb weight and asking for its maximum performance at that weight, don’t worry. Tire shops have liability. Some are pickier than others.

Hi aalsayye! Hope all is well with you, too!

While pbonsalb probably isn’t my biggest fan on here, I couldn’t have said it better myself.

I agree with him 100% and he is absolutely correct. Some will not do it for liability reasons alone. Interestingly, my local dealership had no problem with this whatsoever.

Wikipedia tells me that the parent corp of DT operates tire stores in 38 of the lower 48, and “is considered the largest retailer of tires and wheels in the world.” As a corporation that large, their legal department exists accordingly.

But, to answer your question, you can definitely go one speed rating and one load rating lower in the winter without issue.

I’ll be doing changeover to my SottoZero IIIs in the next couple of weeks as our temperatures drop, and as mentioned last year, they are in fact one load rating and one speed rating below the OE star marked PS4Ss (and the P Zeros for that matter).

[aalsayye]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

Hi aalsayye! Hope all is well with you, too!

While pbonsalb probably isn’t my biggest fan on here, I couldn’t have said it better myself.

I agree with him 100% and he is absolutely correct. Some will not do it for liability reasons alone. Interestingly, my local dealership had no problem with this whatsoever.

Wikipedia tells me that the parent corp of DT operates tire stores in 38 of the lower 48, and “is considered the largest retailer of tires and wheels in the world.” As a corporation that large, their legal department exists accordingly.

But, to answer your question, you can definitely go one speed rating and one load rating lower in the winter without issue.

I’ll be doing changeover to my SottoZero IIIs in the next couple of weeks as our temperatures drop, and as mentioned last year, they are in fact one load rating and one speed rating below the OE star marked PS4Ss (and the P Zeros for that matter).

It’s great to hear from, and thank you!

I decided to make an appointment with a nearby BMW dealership who will be charging $200 for the swap + alignment. A little pricey but I’d rather have it done properly.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by aalsayye

It’s great to hear from, and thank you!

I decided to make an appointment with a nearby BMW dealership who will be charging $200 for the swap + alignment. A little pricey but I’d rather have it done properly.

You’re welcome!

I actually don’t think that’s too bad. My dealer charges $450 just for the alignment on M cars. Plus, you won’t have to deal with the swap.

Also, remind me — did you mount the Vredsteins on your existing wheels or do you have a complete set of tires already mounted to another set of wheels?

Keep us posted and let us know how it goes!