[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

I less than 1/2" clearance on the fronts, no way will 19" wheels fit mine.
I can just get a flat plastic rule behind the calipers.

you realize that it was order able from the factory?

examples of m5s on 19s with CCB

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3

please dont spread misinformation in threads, lots of people end up on this form when they search for answers.

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

you realize that it was order able from the factory?

examples of m5s on 19s with CCB

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3

please dont spread misinformation in threads, lots of people end up on this form when they search for answers.

BMW M5 comes ONLY WITH 20" wheels here.NO 19" available
Not sure why over there they are different !!!
https://www.bmw.co.uk/pdfs/standard-...august2018.pdf

[South Ocean1]

Originally Posted by adeuel

Has anybody researched aftermarket wheels and tires?

Tire rack shows nothing, but I’ve always put a square setup of narrower Rials on previous cars. Don’t really care what they look like for the winter.

What’s the smallest diameter rim we can fit with steel brakes?

Thanks!

Aduele:

I have been looking into the aftermarket wheel options and I will share with you what I have learned but unfortunately it may not be particularly helpful.

In talking to several wheel dealers, I have found that there can be a fit issue in standard offset sizes around the brakes, even in the 20 inch wheel sizes. For example, I thought the 20 inch HRE Flowform wheels would be a good option, but surprisingly only the new 21 inch version will work which is a no go for a winter option for me.

That then pushes you into a custom wheel in the rotary/flow formed category in the $500 range where you can determine the offsets you need. One dealer recommended Vertini and Stance wheels (may be the same company) as you can have them made to your specific offset. I didn't get too far into that but suspect it would probably take several weeks so you would have to hold out on the weather. A couple of those wheel styles look pretty good.

While only my perspective, I had a poorer experience with rotary formed wheels as my winter set on my E63 as I had several cracked wheels on smaller diameter 18 inch wheels (a different but prominent manufacturer). On the same roads with two different sets of 19 inch forged wheels I never had an issue. I was willingly to give the HRE versions a shot given how reputable HRE is.

In the end, I decided to purchase an OEM set of the 20 inch Competition Package wheels for the winter set. They are a bit more more than the OEM 19 inch square package but neither set is in the $500 per wheel range anyway. I will likely do the 275s front and 285s rears to match stock sizes when my wheels come in which will be in about 2 weeks or so.

While a matter of personal preference, since I will have the winter set on for roughly 5 months of the year (this is when the Southern state forum members chuckle at us) and I prefer a good look year round.

Good luck on your search. Happy to pass on any more details if that would be helpful.

Kind regards

[adeuel]

Originally Posted by South Ocean1

Aduele:

I have been looking into the aftermarket wheel options and I will share with you what I have learned but unfortunately it may not be particularly helpful.

In talking to several wheel dealers, I have found that there can be a fit issue in standard offset sizes around the brakes, even in the 20 inch wheel sizes. For example, I thought the 20 inch HRE Flowform wheels would be a good option, but surprisingly only the new 21 inch version will work which is a no go for a winter option for me.

That then pushes you into a custom wheel in the rotary/flow formed category in the $500 range where you can determine the offsets you need. One dealer recommended Vertini and Stance wheels (may be the same company) as you can have them made to your specific offset. I didn't get too far into that but suspect it would probably take several weeks so you would have to hold out on the weather. A couple of those wheel styles look pretty good.

While only my perspective, I had a poorer experience with rotary formed wheels as my winter set on my E63 as I had several cracked wheels on smaller diameter 18 inch wheels (a different but prominent manufacturer). On the same roads with two different sets of 19 inch forged wheels I never had an issue. I was willingly to give the HRE versions a shot given how reputable HRE is.

In the end, I decided to purchase an OEM set of the 20 inch Competition Package wheels for the winter set. They are a bit more more than the OEM 19 inch square package but neither set is in the $500 per wheel range anyway. I will likely do the 275s front and 285s rears to match stock sizes when my wheels come in which will be in about 2 weeks or so.

While a matter of personal preference, since I will have the winter set on for roughly 5 months of the year (this is when the Southern state forum members chuckle at us) and I prefer a good look year round.

Good luck on your search. Happy to pass on any more details if that would be helpful.

Kind regards

Thanks for the info.

This pushes me further toward just putting snows on my OE 19” rims.
Seeing as I only got 5k miles out the rears I likely will be remounting new summers each year, so not a big deal to me.

Thanks again.

[F90M5C]

Originally Posted by mr_djurgarden

BMW 706M

Front 275/35 R20 102V Pirelli Sottozero 2
Back 285/35 R20 104w Pirelli Sottozero 2

hey, did you buy new set of wheels or are you swapping tires ? if you bought them may i know how much did they cost ? tack

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

BMW M5 comes ONLY WITH 20" wheels here.NO 19" available
Not sure why over there they are different !!!
https://www.bmw.co.uk/pdfs/standard-...august2018.pdf

you seem to have a disconnect. you've said that 19s cant fit on your CCBs

ive given you multiple examples of 19s and CCBs, and you rebuttal that 20s are standard on UK cars doesn't change the fact that 19s fit.

UK cars can buy OEM 19 winter packages as per the item numbers repeatedly state in this thread.

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

you seem to have a disconnect. you've said that 19s cant fit on your CCBs

ive given you multiple examples of 19s and CCBs, and you rebuttal that 20s are standard on UK cars doesn't change the fact that 19s fit.

UK cars can buy OEM 19 winter packages as per the item numbers repeatedly state in this thread.

I hope your right
Does this caliper and Disk look like it would be OK with a 19" wheel?.

The caliper is less than a 1/3 of an inch away from the wheel!!
Perhaps our European CCB disks are much bigger than yours.

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

I hope your right
Does this caliper and Disk look like it would be OK with a 19" wheel?.

The caliper is less than a 1/3 of an inch away from the wheel!!
Perhaps our European CCB disks are much bigger than yours.

yes i do think they would fit. no there isnt a difference between EU and US CCBs.

you are just being unreasonable.

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

yes i do think they would fit. no there isnt a difference between EU and US CCBs.

you are just being unreasonable.

Fine , I stand out on it.

[dnippard]

Originally Posted by bobblehead

In Canada

M5 (PK507)
Style 705M (Alloy - 36 11 0 003 050/051)
265/40R19 102V XL
285/40R19 107V XL

Non-runflat
Michelin Pilot Alpin 5

$6,050 + taxes

($450 + taxes cheaper for square setup)

* Installation / Labor may be included at some dealers while others do charge around $150. Therefore, buyers will have to negotiate the install.

This is what most folks seem to be looking for as the square look on the M5 isn't great (I have it now) but this package isn't available anywhere so looks like i will need to but rims and then add best tires or fit P Sottos on existing 20 inch rims

[dnippard]

Originally Posted by South Ocean1

Aduele:

I have been looking into the aftermarket wheel options and I will share with you what I have learned but unfortunately it may not be particularly helpful.

In talking to several wheel dealers, I have found that there can be a fit issue in standard offset sizes around the brakes, even in the 20 inch wheel sizes. For example, I thought the 20 inch HRE Flowform wheels would be a good option, but surprisingly only the new 21 inch version will work which is a no go for a winter option for me.

That then pushes you into a custom wheel in the rotary/flow formed category in the $500 range where you can determine the offsets you need. One dealer recommended Vertini and Stance wheels (may be the same company) as you can have them made to your specific offset. I didn't get too far into that but suspect it would probably take several weeks so you would have to hold out on the weather. A couple of those wheel styles look pretty good.

While only my perspective, I had a poorer experience with rotary formed wheels as my winter set on my E63 as I had several cracked wheels on smaller diameter 18 inch wheels (a different but prominent manufacturer). On the same roads with two different sets of 19 inch forged wheels I never had an issue. I was willingly to give the HRE versions a shot given how reputable HRE is.

In the end, I decided to purchase an OEM set of the 20 inch Competition Package wheels for the winter set. They are a bit more more than the OEM 19 inch square package but neither set is in the $500 per wheel range anyway. I will likely do the 275s front and 285s rears to match stock sizes when my wheels come in which will be in about 2 weeks or so.

While a matter of personal preference, since I will have the winter set on for roughly 5 months of the year (this is when the Southern state forum members chuckle at us) and I prefer a good look year round.

Good luck on your search. Happy to pass on any more details if that would be helpful.

Kind regards

What did you land on? Interested to learn, options are very slim!!

[GUNGASLOW]

Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

Fine , I stand out on it.

Wow this 19” wheels look awesome!!! Those are my favorite out of all the wheels the M5 can be optioned with!! Must ride very nice too..and lighter than the 20”

[South Ocean1]

Originally Posted by dnippard

What did you land on? Interested to learn, options are very slim!!

I purchased a set of the 20 inch M5 Competition wheels. They are not that much more expensive than the 19 inch OEM wheels and I like the look of 20 inch wheels better (matter of personal preference - the 19s would be the more logical choice for the winter set). There is also no back-order issue on those wheels so they should be here in a couple of weeks from Germany.

Another option would be to buy a set of the 20 inch black wheels that are posted on EBay currently at a more reasonable price.

Third option would be to have the snow tires mounted to your existing wheels and swap them out again in the spring. Greater risk to the tires but a reputable shop should be able to handle that well enough.

Let me know what you decide to do. We have at least several more weeks here before I really have to worry about not having winter tires on yet.

[jensputzier]

Originally Posted by F90M5C

just wondering why nobody is going for 20s with winter tires ? am i missing something?

I have the 20s with Michelin PA4.

[jensputzier]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

What's the difference between R and ZR20?

V=240km/h
W=270km/h


R is just for Radial

[marcvtec]

Originally Posted by F90M5C

hey, did you buy new set of wheels or are you swapping tires ? if you bought them may i know how much did they cost ? tack

Same tires he got cost me $2000 Canadian funds installed.

Basically $ 500 per tire.

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by jensputzier

I have the 20s with Michelin PA4.

Had these on the F10, great set-up.

[South Ocean1]

Originally Posted by jensputzier

I have the 20s with Michelin PA4.

Jensputzier:

Did you go with the 285/35/20 tires front and rear for the Michelin PA4s?

I love the Michelin PA4s but they don't come in the 275 width front size. The Pirelli's do, which are fine but not as nice as the Michelins.

Wondering which would be better, using the OEM staggered sizes front and rear (275s front and 285s rear) with the Pirellis or go with the 285s all around with the Michelins.

Thanks!

[jensputzier]

Originally Posted by South Ocean1

Jensputzier:

Did you go with the 285/35/20 tires front and rear for the Michelin PA4s?

I love the Michelin PA4s but they don't come in the 275 width front size. The Pirelli's do, which are fine but not as nice as the Michelins.

Wondering which would be better, using the OEM staggered sizes front and rear (275s front and 285s rear) with the Pirellis or go with the 285s all around with the Michelins.

Thanks!

I have the Doppelspeiche 706M in black with Michelin PA4
front: 275/35 R20 102W
rear: 285/35 R20 104W

No problem to get 275s here in Germany for the front.

https://www.reifen.com/de/TyreSize/L...rKey=107%2C107

[South Ocean1]

Originally Posted by jensputzier

I have the Doppelspeiche 706M in black with Michelin PA4
front: 275/35 R20 102W
rear: 285/35 R20 104W

No problem to get 275s here in Germany for the front.

https://www.reifen.com/de/TyreSize/L...rKey=107%2C107

Jensputzier:

Thank you so much for that information!!! I had no idea that the 275’s were available in Europe but not in the United States. That’s really interesting. Knowing that, I’ve done an Internet search and found what looks like a couple of ways to get those front tires to me.

I really like the Michelins so much more than any other winter tire I’ve owned (Pirellis and Blizzaks) that I will work hard to get them.

Thanks!

[jensputzier]

Originally Posted by South Ocean1

Jensputzier:

Thank you so much for that information!!! I had no idea that the 275’s were available in Europe but not in the United States. That’s really interesting. Knowing that, I’ve done an Internet search and found what looks like a couple of ways to get those front tires to me.

I really like the Michelins so much more than any other winter tire I’ve owned (Pirellis and Blizzaks) that I will work hard to get them.

Thanks!

I am a tool dealer who ships mainly hand tools and machines to the US. If you want I can ship them to you, no problem. My email is info (at) jensputzier.com

[South Ocean1]

Originally Posted by jensputzier

I am a tool dealer who ships mainly hand tools and machines to the US. If you want I can ship them to you, no problem. My email is info (at) jensputzier.com

Jensputzier:

That is really a kind offer - thank you so much!

I will see if I am able to get the front tires in a more conventional way first before I bother you. I have another two weeks to wait on my winter wheels so I have a little time to look around.

Kind regards