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      09-20-2018, 11:18 AM   #67
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just setting it it up in a stand alone sealed box. it'll be removable which is what i wanted.
Hi elitex did you get to install the extra sub? Which one did you put in and how much modifications did it take? Did you tap into the line signal before it enters the factory amp?
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For me on the BW system.
I chose studio.
Treble at 0 bass + 2
EQ treble and bass up two notches. Like a smile face in the EQ.

Seems to sound the best for my iPhone downloads and XM.
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just setting it it up in a stand alone sealed box. it'll be removable which is what i wanted.
Hi elitex did you get to install the extra sub? Which one did you put in and how much modifications did it take? Did you tap into the line signal before it enters the factory amp?
Thanks!
Hey. I ended up going with JL Audio 12w6 in a sealed box. I don't think you can tap before the amp is they use optical connections. You have to do it after and deal with all the processing done to the signal. Imo, bass told off considerably once you turn up the volume.

Bass restore feature on the line level converter doesn't work that well. Subwoofer is still worth adding though.
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For me on the BW system.
I chose studio.
Treble at 0 bass + 2
EQ treble and bass up two notches. Like a smile face in the EQ.

Seems to sound the best for my iPhone downloads and XM.
I have almost the same, and I push the sound 2 steps towards the back seat. It can sound like it has too much low bass but when driving the car this is needed.
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For those who decide to install extra subs......I don't know if it placebo, but......

I have noticed that if you lower the 100Hz by 4-5 points in equalizer then increase the bass in the tone settings by 4-5 points, so it shows the 100Hz level again with the other frequencies, it helps boost the 20-100Hz range, without being 'boomy'.

Makes the subs kick a little better.
I am going to try this out.

8w7 didn't give me enough kick so I changed it to 12w6V3.
Are you guys adding amps also?
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Until BMW partners up with the digital sound masters at Median Audio we are going to have to be happy with HC, BO, and BW. The cabin on any car with all of that glass and any road noise makes it a huge challenge.

Great to see so many folks that care about audio here.
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Being an audiophile is a disease to which there is no cure. We can never just be happy and are always looking for that little bit more in terms of resolution, musicality, imaging, sound staging, etc. It just seems like a cruel joke that so many audiophiles are also car guys...
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Here are my settings on the equalizer. I tried not going so heavy handed. I tried to smooth things out versus completely taking out the peaks or nulls. The ones that looked more extreme are 2 notches up or down and the one around 100 hz, is only 1 notch.
This was great improvement over my settings! Thanks👍👍👍
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This was great improvement over my settings! Thanks👍👍👍
Glad I could help.
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This was great improvement over my settings! Thanks������
Used these as well and they made a big difference.
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Used these as well and they made a big difference.
For those audiophiles out there, I had just spoken to Kevin Voecks, designer for Revel speakers, and we were talking about my home setup and the frequency curve he looks for in his design. We discussed tools to analyze and other stuff.

Anyway, we talked about how people like a bump in the bass and a roll off in the treble (the true frequency response when you account for the room). So using the tools we discussed, I tried to replicate a better frequency curve in the M5. These were smaller changes to smoothen things out as it is very hard to make things perfect. You definitely can go more heavy handed or change to your personal style but this is a good starting point and I still use it about 6 months later.
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For those audiophiles out there, I had just spoken to Kevin Voecks, designer for Revel speakers, and we were talking about my home setup and the frequency curve he looks for in his design. We discussed tools to analyze and other stuff.

Anyway, we talked about how people like a bump in the bass and a roll off in the treble (the true frequency response when you account for the room). So using the tools we discussed, I tried to replicate a better frequency curve in the M5. These were smaller changes to smoothen things out as it is very hard to make things perfect. You definitely can go more heavy handed or change to your personal style but this is a good starting point and I still use it about 6 months later.
Thanks for the knowledge brother! I don't know what half of it means but the B/W in the car sounds much better thanks to you.
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Here are my settings on the equalizer. I tried not going so heavy handed. I tried to smooth things out versus completely taking out the peaks or nulls. The ones that looked more extreme are 2 notches up or down and the one around 100 hz, is only 1 notch.
So you left the bass and treble at neutral? No adjustment on those.
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So you left the bass and treble at neutral? No adjustment on those.
That is correct. My measurements showed that it didn’t need it. But of course, personal preference can push you away from those settings. I found the sound already pretty bright. I could understand adding more bass especially with a V8 drowning out some of that area in the frequency range.
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So, massively dissapointed in the Bowers and Wilkins in my 2022 M5.

Had a G30 540i with HK before and this was better. I believe the issue is the complete lack of warm and substantial bass.

Started investigating subs and amps but had a mess about before I pressed the button as this is a new car and I don't want to be messing about, nor should I have to considering the expense of this option.

So, I have been messing around with the EQ and settings, a lot the last 2 months since I picked up my brand new car.

In EQ, obviously boosted 100Hz, the lowest frequency to try and address the woeful lack of bass depth. This seemed to make it worse or at least did not address the lack of warmth in the overall sound.

I therefore got some test tones on a USB stick, 40Hz, 60Hz, and 80Hz.

I was flabbergasted to see that when playing these test tones, my adjustment of the lowest eq band, 100Hz did absolutely nothing.

I then moved the Bass up and down and this changed the amplification of the sub 100Hz frequencies.

However, when you move Bass or Treble, it pulls up the other frequencies, which makes it sound crap again.

The solution is to therefore counter this effect of increased mid bass by the eq.

My eq setting are therefore as follows and have addressed the issue. It now sounds acceptable to me and has at least a decent amount of depth.

Set everything to middle (0), including bass and treble:

100Hz -3
200Hz -3
500Hz -2
1KHz -0
2KHz 0
5KHz 0
10KHz 0

Bass +10
Treble +2 to +6 depending on tune
Fader -2 to -3 depending on tune

Sound stage - Studio. Some of the other sound stages sound good but as other posts, seem to lose some of the already seriously lacking sub-bass.

Hope the above helps.

No idea why the system is like this in these cars. Someone seriously messed up. The above settings address this to a certain extent and make the system sound much more premium.

I will still consider getting a sub but at least now I can listen to it and smile, albeit more marginally than I would perhaps have liked.
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It's like the door projectors. BMW has gotten lazy and just figures we'll pay for anything... and they're mostly right. Just look at the CS.
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It's like the door projectors. BMW has gotten lazy and just figures we'll pay for anything... and they're mostly right. Just look at the CS.
100% agree. especially about the CS.

But hey, at least we found a $50 solution to the projectors. lol
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For those who opted for the Bower & Wilkins system, what are your thoughts? I have the Harmon Kardon on my M4 and its very subpar.
It is one of the best vehicle audio systems on the market if and when setup right and you feed the system good source content!

I put up a YouTube video with a detailed system analysis with specialized software and a calibrated microphone.
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So, massively dissapointed in the Bowers and Wilkins in my 2022 M5.

Had a G30 540i with HK before and this was better. I believe the issue is the complete lack of warm and substantial bass.

Started investigating subs and amps but had a mess about before I pressed the button as this is a new car and I don't want to be messing about, nor should I have to considering the expense of this option.

So, I have been messing around with the EQ and settings, a lot the last 2 months since I picked up my brand new car.

In EQ, obviously boosted 100Hz, the lowest frequency to try and address the woeful lack of bass depth. This seemed to make it worse or at least did not address the lack of warmth in the overall sound.

I therefore got some test tones on a USB stick, 40Hz, 60Hz, and 80Hz.

I was flabbergasted to see that when playing these test tones, my adjustment of the lowest eq band, 100Hz did absolutely nothing.

I then moved the Bass up and down and this changed the amplification of the sub 100Hz frequencies.

However, when you move Bass or Treble, it pulls up the other frequencies, which makes it sound crap again.

The solution is to therefore counter this effect of increased mid bass by the eq.

My eq setting are therefore as follows and have addressed the issue. It now sounds acceptable to me and has at least a decent amount of depth.

Set everything to middle (0), including bass and treble:

100Hz -3
200Hz -3
500Hz -2
1KHz -0
2KHz 0
5KHz 0
10KHz 0

Bass +10
Treble +2 to +6 depending on tune
Fader -2 to -3 depending on tune

Sound stage - Studio. Some of the other sound stages sound good but as other posts, seem to lose some of the already seriously lacking sub-bass.

Hope the above helps.

No idea why the system is like this in these cars. Someone seriously messed up. The above settings address this to a certain extent and make the system sound much more premium.

I will still consider getting a sub but at least now I can listen to it and smile, albeit more marginally than I would perhaps have liked.
Your EQ settings don't do the system justice. Granted, everyone has a different ear and preference as to what sounds good.

I myself, tend to gravitate towards flat responses which allows me to listen to the music/content as it was intended. I hate over-processed audio or when EQ settings deviate too far from a normal flat curve.

Follow my video and I suspect you will actually like the system and how good it is!
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For those audiophiles out there, I had just spoken to Kevin Voecks, designer for Revel speakers, and we were talking about my home setup and the frequency curve he looks for in his design. We discussed tools to analyze and other stuff.

Anyway, we talked about how people like a bump in the bass and a roll off in the treble (the true frequency response when you account for the room). So using the tools we discussed, I tried to replicate a better frequency curve in the M5. These were smaller changes to smoothen things out as it is very hard to make things perfect. You definitely can go more heavy handed or change to your personal style but this is a good starting point and I still use it about 6 months later.
Thanks for the knowledge brother! I don't know what half of it means but the B/W in the car sounds much better thanks to you.
I have Revel Ultima Speakers! Stereophile Class A and they are reference speakers for a lot of professionals.

I agree with the analysis he provided to you!

Revel is actually part of the Harman group.

Setup the system right and it will reward you
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My main home system is Ayre with Harbeth; my second system is Blue Circle with Shahinian; my third system is Parasound with Kef. Good sound is important to me and while there's better car audio to be had, the B&W system has me satisfied - and despite some less then enthusiastic posts on bimmerpost it's a pretty good setup.
Watch this for proper setup

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My main home system is Ayre with Harbeth; my second system is Blue Circle with Shahinian; my third system is Parasound with Kef. Good sound is important to me and while there's better car audio to be had, the B&W system has me satisfied - and despite some less then enthusiastic posts on bimmerpost it's a pretty good setup.
Watch this for proper setup

Maybe they made some changes for the LCI. My pre-LCI chart looks nothing like yours after following your settings and I have virtually no bass?
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