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      01-30-2019, 06:00 PM   #1
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We've been so slammed with projects and cars that we haven't had much time to post on here. Wanted to share a dyno of an F90 M5 we did. Before line (red) was stock, after line was with tune and downpipes. Dyno was taken in AWD mode, and 5th gear. 6th would have produced higher results. Overall very satisfied with the gains! This is also running an overly rich mixture for safety (lower 11's), so there is quite a bit of power to be gained over what is shown
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Piggy back gives about the same gain and that's without down pipes.
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Piggy back gives about the same gain and that's without down pipes.
As we mentioned, this is a very conservative tune with a low 11 AFR, and is by no means a calibration intended to extract the most amount of power available. We can achieve higher than that, with no downpipes as well.

Often times calibrations are judged based on numbers alone, which is totally the wrong way to look at it. Drive-ability, safety, redundancy, are all more important than achieving a specific output gain. Piggybacks are not able to remove cold start, the top speed limiter, raise the redline, amongst other things.

Piggybacks alter and trick the control unit or associated components to output more power, they do not *properly* do it via the factory controls. There are thousands of tables in the DME that are carefully calibrated from the factory for a number of different factors, and since piggybacks alter the reality of what's occurring, these factory designed tables are not effective in the manner they were designed. Piggy backs do not have a method of directly controlling fueling, or properly suppressing errors for modified exhaust systems.

That said, there are certainly instances were piggybacks can be beneficial, such as for external controls for meth, etc. A proper flash tune is certainly the correct way of extracting additional power while maintaining all of the factory safeguards.

We'll post up a few more charts of our development F90 Comp package that has stock exhaust.
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Any chance you can overlay a stock F10 for comparison?
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Piggy back gives about the same gain and that's without down pipes.
As we mentioned, this is a very conservative tune with a low 11 AFR, and is by no means a calibration intended to extract the most amount of power available. We can achieve higher than that, with no downpipes as well.

Often times calibrations are judged based on numbers alone, which is totally the wrong way to look at it. Drive-ability, safety, redundancy, are all more important than achieving a specific output gain. Piggybacks are not able to remove cold start, the top speed limiter, raise the redline, amongst other things.

Piggybacks alter and trick the control unit or associated components to output more power, they do not *properly* do it via the factory controls. There are thousands of tables in the DME that are carefully calibrated from the factory for a number of different factors, and since piggybacks alter the reality of what's occurring, these factory designed tables are not effective in the manner they were designed. Piggy backs do not have a method of directly controlling fueling, or properly suppressing errors for modified exhaust systems.

That said, there are certainly instances were piggybacks can be beneficial, such as for external controls for meth, etc. A proper flash tune is certainly the correct way of extracting additional power while maintaining all of the factory safeguards.

We'll post up a few more charts of our development F90 Comp package that has stock exhaust.
I know the difference in between piggy back and tune. Mine point is proper tune should bring more then double.
But I guess this is the beginning stage
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I know the difference in between piggy back and tune. Mine point is proper tune should bring more then double.
But I guess this is the beginning stage
This is certainly not the case. The relative difference between a piggyback and a tune is of no substance or relevance. There are limitations subject to fuel quality. You don't see 800HP Supras running 91 octane
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Any chance you can overlay a stock F10 for comparison?
Sure, we can do that. I put it on our to do list, will post it sometime this week
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Great and super safe numbers Mike.
Keep up the great work, look forward to your continued development of the F90!
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We've been so slammed with projects and cars that we haven't had much time to post on here. Wanted to share a dyno of an F90 M5 we did. Before line (red) was stock, after line was with tune and downpipes. Dyno was taken in AWD mode, and 5th gear. 6th would have produced higher results. Overall very satisfied with the gains! This is also running an overly rich mixture for safety (lower 11's), so there is quite a bit of power to be gained over what is shown
what is the max boost psi this tune is set to?
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some dynojet Dyno's showed 625whp stock......was that a Dynojet rwd dyno vs awd ?
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some dynojet Dyno's showed 625whp stock......was that a Dynojet rwd dyno vs awd ?
Not to shit on the tune's parade but you're right...

This was my stock dyno...

1. Mustang Dyno
2. AWD
3. 91 octane (yay California)

There's too many intangibles and variables but yeah...
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Not to shit on the tune's parade but you're right...

This was my stock dyno...

1. Mustang Dyno
2. AWD
3. 91 octane (yay California)

There's too many intangibles and variables but yeah...
BMS piggyback F90 m5 to compare;
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some dynojet Dyno's showed 625whp stock......was that a Dynojet rwd dyno vs awd ?
Not to shit on the tune's parade but you're right...

This was my stock dyno...

1. Mustang Dyno
2. AWD
3. 91 octane (yay California)

There's too many intangibles and variables but yeah...
Not a bad value with 91 octane.
Try again with better fuel (100 or 102 octane) and you will gain 50-70 whp.
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some dynojet Dyno's showed 625whp stock......was that a Dynojet rwd dyno vs awd ?
Not to shit on the tune's parade but you're right...

This was my stock dyno...

1. Mustang Dyno
2. AWD
3. 91 octane (yay California)

There's too many intangibles and variables but yeah...
Not a bad value with 91 octane.
Try again with better fuel (100 or 102 octane) and you will gain 50-70 whp.
Oh that's already in the game plan... Neighbor has current gen CTS-V... Get me some higher octane before we head to uhhh mexico...

He also has an alpha tuned 12c - gonna need more than bolt ons to keep up with that bish...
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We've been so slammed with projects and cars that we haven't had much time to post on here. Wanted to share a dyno of an F90 M5 we did. Before line (red) was stock, after line was with tune and downpipes. Dyno was taken in AWD mode, and 5th gear. 6th would have produced higher results. Overall very satisfied with the gains! This is also running an overly rich mixture for safety (lower 11's), so there is quite a bit of power to be gained over what is shown
Can I ask you ;
1) why set overly rich mixture during WOT? just for safety?
is there any claim from customer?
2) why you adapt 91 octane? is there any specific reason?
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We've been so slammed with projects and cars that we haven't had much time to post on here. Wanted to share a dyno of an F90 M5 we did. Before line (red) was stock, after line was with tune and downpipes. Dyno was taken in AWD mode, and 5th gear. 6th would have produced higher results. Overall very satisfied with the gains! This is also running an overly rich mixture for safety (lower 11's), so there is quite a bit of power to be gained over what is shown
Can I ask you ;
1) why set overly rich mixture during WOT? just for safety?
is there any claim from customer?
2) why you adapt 91 octane? is there any specific reason?
Overly Rich is for safety measures.
They are just barely finish with this, so not too many customers running their tune on F90 M5 yet.
But seems like they have a good record around 2/3/4 series department.

He has to adapt to 91 octane since 90% of the US market for mods are in 91 octane state of California.
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Overly Rich is for safety measures.
They are just barely finish with this, so not too many customers running their tune on F90 M5 yet.
But seems like they have a good record around 2/3/4 series department.

He has to adapt to 91 octane since 90% of the US market for mods are in 91 octane state of California.
I had BPM stage 2 with Mike on both my F10 M5s. I was totally happy and cars were beasts. I’m sure he will fine tune it once more owners start tuning.
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Overly Rich is for safety measures.
They are just barely finish with this, so not too many customers running their tune on F90 M5 yet.
But seems like they have a good record around 2/3/4 series department.

He has to adapt to 91 octane since 90% of the US market for mods are in 91 octane state of California.
I had BPM stage 2 with Mike on both my F10 M5s. I was totally happy and cars were beasts. I’m sure he will fine tune it once more owners start tuning.
Oh, for sure, no doubt about it. That's why I say that this is the early stage, not finalized yet.

I would do it if I can keep my BMW longer passed the warranty period.
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I also had stage 2 bpm sport from Mike on my f10. Was very happy with power.

I will say this though. I've already tuned my f90 once will not name, names. Didn't work out. Car didn't make any power.

I'm mentioning this because I think everybody wants to be first to market for this car, and I don't think ANYBODY has really figured it out yet.

My car is back to stock tune and I'm not even entertaining a new tune for a while.

I don't want to be people's lab rats.

The only people who have figured it out are the ones who are providing modest tunes with minimal gains.

I want a stage 2 tune, with no bugs, and I haven't found it yet. The only one close is racechip and that's a piggyback tune, and in my opinion it's modest as well. They offer 100-200km at 6.2 which is fast.. but I've already seen mid 5's and lower from the f90.
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I also had stage 2 bpm sport from Mike on my f10. Was very happy with power.

I will say this though. I've already tuned my f90 once will not name, names. Didn't work out. Car didn't make any power.

I'm mentioning this because I think everybody wants to be first to market for this car, and I don't think ANYBODY has really figured it out yet.

My car is back to stock tune and I'm not even entertaining a new tune for a while.

I don't want to be people's lab rats.

The only people who have figured it out are the ones who are providing modest tunes with minimal gains.

I want a stage 2 tune, with no bugs, and I haven't found it yet. The only one close is racechip and that's a piggyback tune, and in my opinion it's modest as well. They offer 100-200km at 6.2 which is fast.. but I've already seen mid 5's and lower from the f90.



Smart man.

The pursuit of more power on this platform within it's infancy stages will end up costing some folks some money when things go wrong. Wait on it.
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Thanks everyone for the replies! We have been inundated with projects lately, but will post a lengthy reply to all of the posts/request by this weekend.

I can certainly assure everyone that all software we deliver is ready for market and we do not use customer vehicles as test subjects unless they request something out of the ordinary and are specially understand that they will be receiving development software. We have tuned many F90, comp and non comp, in many countries around the world, as well as the United States of course, without any issues to date.

f90_FTW, shot you a PM, you've got my curiosity now
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