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      05-31-2017, 01:33 PM   #23
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Although, BMW is not the first.
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well, after prada started to make their shoes in china i stopped buying them


i work in the automotive industry... we (tech department) take pride in innovation, high quality precision parts and craftsmanship - however lately parts are being outsourced to china - and parts "they" have outsourced to chinese plants are simply crap... sad everything has to go downhill for the profit of a few scumbags
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well, after prada started to make their shoes in china i stopped buying them


i work in the automotive industry... we (tech department) take pride in innovation, high quality precision parts and craftsmanship - however lately parts are being outsourced to china - and parts "they" have outsourced to chinese plants are simply crap... sad everything has to go downhill for the profit of a few scumbags
Do you work for a Euro car brand?
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People just want to bitch about everything. Same equipment and training, u think Chinese workers are worse than South Africans? Lazy Americans?
The Chinese auto industry isn't exactly highly regarded anywhere in the world. Traditionally cars built in china have been crap. So there is justified worry of trickle effect even if it won't happen in actuality.
Have you look into the reason behind it? Why previous Chinese-made cars are crap? Have u analyze if these causes still exist? Some stupid fella won't bother to look. Are u?
My point is that "Chinese built cars" have a negative effect on buyer confidence. It's not about what I know, or what I research. Try thinking with a business hat
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I wonder if they will start to offer CD instead of ED?

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People just want to bitch about everything. Same equipment and training, u think Chinese workers are worse than South Africans? Lazy Americans?
The Chinese auto industry isn't exactly highly regarded anywhere in the world. Traditionally cars built in china have been crap. So there is justified worry of trickle effect even if it won't happen in actuality.
Have you look into the reason behind it? Why previous Chinese-made cars are crap? Have u analyze if these causes still exist? Some stupid fella won't bother to look. Are u?
My point is that "Chinese built cars" have a negative effect on buyer confidence. It's not about what I know, or what I research. Try thinking with a business hat
Trump had bad reputation, he got elected anyway. Apple had bad reputation of overpricing, they sell well anyway
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Trump had bad reputation, he got elected anyway. Apple had bad reputation of overpricing, they sell well anyway
But Apple's never had a reputation for making subpar products. If the product's superior -- and for a solid decade, Apple's phones and portable music players were, by a considerable margin -- a higher price is justified ...

... and consumer confidence will remain high, even as those advantages fade -- including the price premium, which has now completely disappeared with the iPhone and is negligible with the iPad and lower laptops.
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I wonder if they will start to offer CD instead of ED?



On what drive-able, non-urban roads? Maybe BMW can run a rally along the top of the Great Wall?

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Trump had bad reputation, he got elected anyway. Apple had bad reputation of overpricing, they sell well anyway
But Apple's never had a reputation for making subpar products. If the product's superior -- and for a solid decade, Apple's phones and portable music players were, by a considerable margin -- a higher price is justified ...

... and consumer confidence will remain high, even as those advantages fade -- including the price premium, which has now completely disappeared with the iPhone and is negligible with the iPad and lower laptops.
Apple products are made in China. BMW now made in China. What is the difference?
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Apple products are made in China.
I know. And that has not been a problem for Apple because consumer electronics is something the Chinese were already proficient at making when Apple set up shop and oversight there.

Heavy goods is a whole 'nuther ballgame, kemosabe.
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Apple products are made in China. BMW now made in China. What is the difference?
Please see post #23 and #32. You're welcome.
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Apple products are made in China.
I know. And that has not been a problem for Apple because consumer electronics is something the Chinese were already proficient at making when Apple set up shop and oversight there.

Heavy goods is a whole 'nuther ballgame, kemosabe.
Have you tries Chinese made BMW? No. So don't bad mouth it. Chinese buyers are being very positive about these domestically made BMW. And Chinese plants have been making these cars for a while.
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Apple products are made in China. BMW now made in China. What is the difference?
The difference is I don't ride my iPhone around at 200+ kilometers almost daily. My iPhone fails worst case I can't log on to youporn.
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Built in China doesn't mean the build quality is bad. Assuming BMW still use the same materials, parts, and technology to build the vehicles, I don't see any build quality issue there. All BMW needs are proper training to their factory plant workers, which is same as in Germany, US, and SA.
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Apple products are made in China. BMW now made in China. What is the difference?
The difference is I don't ride my iPhone around at 200+ kilometers almost daily. My iPhone fails worst case I can't log on to youporn.
Yes, some Chinese auto companies lacks experience will make less quality cars. But this is BMW. U think same training, material and equipment, Chinese workers are dumber than South Africans? Americans(for x suv)? Did u see reports that Chinese made BMW fails regularly? Much worse than South African counterparts? Have you tried living with one? What is you source for Chinese built BMW will fail worse than Other factories? Or is this jus your imagination and stereotyping? Please research before you trash talking someone or something. Do you think BMW is dumb enough to open factories in China and export now if quality is not on par?
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I highly doubt we will see any of these cars imported. BMW has enough customers in China.
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How is this news? China has been producing their own BMW X5 for years!!
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Remember the promises that this wouldn't happen? Right
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Remember the promises that this wouldn't happen? Right
Yes the broken promises.

Sad but true.
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Have you tries Chinese made BMW? No. So don't bad mouth it. Chinese buyers are being very positive about these domestically made BMW. And Chinese plants have been making these cars for a while.
Dude, you're not reading what I wrote. There is no precedent for high-quality heavy manufactured goods from China in any major Western market. Why? The quality is not up to Western standards.

I'll take it one step further: This is even the case with military hardware, including missile systems, aircraft, and ground armor. Even to third-world countries, China is still a 'supplier of last resort' for that kind of stuff.

And one step further, still: Another country, India, has the exact same reputation. It also can manufacture some of the highest-grade electronics in the world, but it can't even build a bicycle for sale-able Western export.

Look: I'm sure things are getting better. But as I stated before with the Japanese as an example, it takes time -- as well as a willingness to conform its own cultural standards as applied to manufactured goods to satisfy other world markets. One country that has done this to amazing effect recently: South Korea, which is now considered the greatest shipbuilding nation on Earth, among other distinctions. China has a long, long, long way to go.
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i work in the automotive industry... we (tech department) take pride in innovation, high quality precision parts and craftsmanship - however lately parts are being outsourced to china - and parts "they" have outsourced to chinese plants are simply crap... sad everything has to go downhill for the profit of a few scumbags
Do these crap components end up in production vehicles... if so, whatever you say about China, the fault is of the people that let it through, not of the people that make it.
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Have you look into the reason behind it? Why previous Chinese-made cars are crap? Have u analyze if these causes still exist? Some stupid fella won't bother to look. Are u?
Hmm... good Sir, is there a chance that you're Chinese?
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