[Erich2142]

Forget about the Z2, make a new Z4 and bring back the Z4M.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

BMW was very successful with the Z3 and the original Z4. When they went "upscale" with the Z4, they lost their market. A new well-equipped Z4 cost more than my M4

Correct, that's why they need a back to basics open top 2 seater. The future of BMW is the Z-Car and the Vision Concept car shows the direction of one of them clearly.

Z1
Z3
Z5 (Toyota Twin)
Z7
Z9?
.

[ShocknAwe]

Love the responses from the F8x folks. Thanks for reminding me that not all communities on the post are equal in their membership quality.

The M3/4 is not a bad car. However, it is inferior to the other options out there, and as a result of it's price when considering this, embarrassing. Do you challenge that as a company it would be embarrassing to have spent everything to develop a (thanks to stiff competition) bottom in class car? What's embarrassing to BMW doesn't necessarily translate to the owners. I'm glad you all enjoy your cars. I certainly enjoy mine.

Unfortunately, assuming that when we were talking about corporate BMW decisions that it was instead directed as a personal insult indicates serious confidence issues or a lack of maturity. We're all enthusiasts here, I very much doubt there are many folks out to personally insult.

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Apologies, but this IS the M3/4 Forum

Lol no, no it's not. You are posting in the Universal Forums: General BMW News/Discussions subforum.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Correct, that's why they need a back to basics open top 2 seater. The future of BMW is the Z-Car and the Vision Concept car shows the direction of one of them clearly.

Z1
Z3
Z5
Z7
Z9?
.

That looks great! Can't wait to see the next gen Z cars, especially if they can scale down the chunk a little.

[raysspl]

I don't think no one cared much being that this was going to be FWD

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Love the responses from the F8x folks. Thanks for reminding me that not all communities on the post are equal in their membership quality.

The M3/4 is not a bad car. However, it is inferior to the other options out there, and as a result of it's price when considering this, embarrassing. Do you challenge that as a company it would be embarrassing to have spent everything to develop a (thanks to stiff competition) bottom in class car? What's embarrassing to BMW doesn't necessarily translate to the owners. I'm glad you all enjoy your cars. I certainly enjoy mine.

Unfortunately, assuming that when we were talking about corporate BMW decisions that it was instead directed as a personal insult indicates serious confidence issues or a lack of maturity. We're all enthusiasts here, I very much doubt there are many folks out to personally insult.



Lol no, no it's not. You are posting in the Universal Forums General BMW News/Discussions subforum.

Not sure who put the burr under your saddle. I still disagree with your "embarrassing" assessment. I saw no personal insult in your assessment of the standing of the M3/4, just disagreed with that.

I apologize for not knowing what forum I am in. At the top of my thread it says: BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion > BMW scraps Z2 plan for bijou MX-5 rival

LOL

[ShocknAwe]

Sorry you take so much offense to my comments. Also, my response was directed to the general F8x user body. I don't recall mentioning you in my posts.

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Not sure who put the burr under your saddle. I still disagree with you "embarrassing" assessment. I saw no personal insult in your assessment of the standing of the M3/4, just disagreed with that.

I apologize for not knowing what forum I am in. At the top of my thread it says: BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion > BMW scraps Z2 plan for bijou MX-5 rival[/B]

Bolded the important part for you. This forum is open at the bottom of EVERY Bimmerpost user forum, all the way from 1Addicts to the BMWi forums.

[dreamspeed]

FWD? I guess no big loss here

[kardboard]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Sorry you take so much offense to my comments. Also, my response was directed to the general F8x user body. I don't recall mentioning you in my posts.



Bolded the important part for you. This forum is open at the bottom of EVERY Bimmerpost user forum, all the way from 1Addicts to the BMWi forums.

Dude this is a BMW forum, not an Audi, MB, or Porsche. We are going to defend the F80/82 if you start comparing it to it's competitors. What did you expect.

You also seem to be the one taking offense. If the C63 is a better car for you, then go buy one. Simple as that. We prefer the M3. When you tell us it's not as good as the C63 we can only laugh at you. ESPECIALLY when you don't own either one.

[undecided]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Front page news again

The Z2 has been canceled.

There will be a FWD Z1.

And a back to basics RWD Z3.

And the the current Z4 will move up market and become a Toyota Twin being called the Z5.

Next !

It's already way overpriced for what it is.

[undecided]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

BMW was very successful with the Z3 and the original Z4. When they went "upscale" with the Z4, they lost their market. A new well-equipped Z4 cost more than my M4

They did not sell that many Z3/4 especially the M model. BUT, those were some really nice BMWs. They need to have the balls to come up with something like the MX-5 but with one of their newer turbo motors at 280+hp and manual and make it under 2900 lbs. They won't be able to keep up with the demand for such a car in the USA. Makes me wonder why they are not doing it.

[krnnerdboy]

Originally Posted by hadokenny

Not to mention the GT350 with 500+hp that starts under 50k...

Don't forget the basic 5.0 that would've gave the e90 a run for its money. At least this generation requires the non pedestrian model to dethrone the m3...

And I think the z2 axe is good. I would be looking to move the next gen z4 down market to bridge the gap between the z2/4. 50k well equipped would make a strong case

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

MX-5 is RWD, you can't have a FWD rival of a RWD car, that's hilarious.

Exactly.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by undecided

They did not sell that many Z3/4 especially the M model. BUT, those were some really nice BMWs. They need to have the balls to come up with something like the MX-5 but with one of their newer turbo motors at 280+hp and manual and make it under 2900 lbs. They won't be able to keep up with the demand for such a car in the USA. Makes me wonder why they are not doing it.

I have no idea what a good amount of sales would be for a low volume 2-seat roadster, but BMW sold 297,088 Z3s and 197,950 E85/6 Z4s.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Apologies, but this IS the M3/4 Forum

No it's not. This was posted in the universal forums, which appear on all the Bimmerpost forums. It's been pretty annoying having to filter through the same tired old F80/E92 pissing match bullshit trying to figure out how this impacts the upcoming BMW roadster lineup.

[bradleyland]

OK, so Z2 is cancelled, but what about the rest of the roadster lineup? What about the rumored carbon-tub Z3? Was the Z2 killed to make room for this car? Seems like we're getting a really incomplete picture here.

IMO, it never really made sense for BMW to come to market with a FWD roadster, so I'm glad to see it dead. Mazda sells plenty of Miatas to people who couldn't care less whether it's FWD or RWD, but there is another segment of buyers who do care that it's RWD. By basing the Z2 off a FWD platform, they were excluding buyers in an already microscopic segment. That never made sense to me.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by undecided

It's already way overpriced for what it is.

The new Supra and its twin the Z5 will enter M3/4 Price Territory.

The new Z3 will fulfill the lower price point.

[WaelBilalAboBilal]

are they seriously going to make the next generation 2 series FWD or are ppl joking around

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by WaelBilalAboBilal

are they seriously going to make the next generation 2 series FWD or are ppl joking around

I seriously doubt it !

It's replaced the 3er Coupe as the affordable RWD Coupe/Convertible.

[PodDoc]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Love the responses from the F8x folks. Thanks for reminding me that not all communities on the post are equal in their membership quality.

The M3/4 is not a bad car. However, it is inferior to the other options out there, and as a result of it's price when considering this, embarrassing. Do you challenge that as a company it would be embarrassing to have spent everything to develop a (thanks to stiff competition) bottom in class car? What's embarrassing to BMW doesn't necessarily translate to the owners. I'm glad you all enjoy your cars. I certainly enjoy mine.

Unfortunately, assuming that when we were talking about corporate BMW decisions that it was instead directed as a personal insult indicates serious confidence issues or a lack of maturity. We're all enthusiasts here, I very much doubt there are many folks out to personally insult.

Lol no, no it's not. You are posting in the Universal Forums: General BMW News/Discussions subforum.

Just out of curiosity, what cars in the class do you think are better than the M3/4? Reviews, test numbers, personal test drives put the M3/4 above the RCF, RS5, C63. Many prefer the C63S as a daily driver, but as a post in the M3/4 forum shows, the M3/4 is faster around the track (same driver, Matt Prior), granted it was only 1 track. Also, specced the way i would get the car, the C63S comes out over 10k more than the M3 in msrp, and over 15K more when you factor in incentives and dealers willing to discount M3. C63S is definitely not $15k better. The new ATV-V isnt out yet so you cant say its better, neither is the new RS4/5.

Really not trying to come off as defensive or sound like an M3 fan boy, i am just trying to be as objective as possible. I would just like you to explain such a blanket statement that the M3 is at the bottom of the class and tell me what i should be considering instead.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by PodDoc

Just out of curiosity, what cars in the class do you think are better than the M3/4? Reviews, test numbers, personal test drives put the M3/4 above the RCF, RS5, C63. Many prefer the C63S as a daily driver, but as a post in the M3/4 forum shows, the M3/4 is faster around the track (same driver, Matt Prior), granted it was only 1 track. Also, specced the way i would get the car, the C63S comes out over 10k more than the M3 in msrp, and over 15K more when you factor in incentives and dealers willing to discount M3. C63S is definitely not $15k better. The new ATV-V isnt out yet so you cant say its better, neither is the new RS4/5.

Really not trying to come off as defensive or sound like an M3 fan boy, i am just trying to be as objective as possible. I would just like you to explain such a blanket statement that the M3 is at the bottom of the class and tell me what i should be considering instead.

Fan boys aside...

Can you keep it on topic please or start your own new thread in the M3/4 forum.

Thanks !

[WhoU4]

Current car still running good, and that's good since I see no replacement options yet. Front wheel drive is not an option and I'm glad they dumped the Z2. The Current E89, too big.