[cc3]

Originally Posted by bimmermaus650

Perhaps the cost is factoring in the "Brexit tax"?????

German price has similar increase so BMW being greedy or production cost is up

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by lemetier

What other reasonable options would have been more to your liking?

Anything new, anything different, anything innovative! They could have thrown a Quad Turbo 3.6L 6cyl engine in the new M5 for all I care, just as long as they put some real research, technology, and innovation into it. Updating the S63 engine to the TU4 version was nothing but a money and time saving measure for them. Just look at what other companies are doing, they are innovating. Mercedes with their new M256 engine and their new AMG53 line, Koenigsegg with their new camless designs, hell even Mazda has their new SkyActiv technology. The least M Division could have done was give us an 8,000rpm redline on the S63TU4, but that would probably negated the use of the ZF8 which is FINE with me.

Bottom line, this is the first M5 in decades to not feature a new engine. Some people refuse to spend $130k+ on a car with the exact same engine as before. Makes no sense from a car enthusiast standpoint.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Bottom line, this is the first M5 in decades to not feature a new engine. Some people refuse to spend $130k+ on a car with the exact same engine as before. Makes no sense from a car enthusiast standpoint.

It is how they will do things in the future. Next gen M3 is getting an upgraded S55(aka S58). No more all-new powerplants for each generation M car. X3M/X4M will get the S58 first.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

It is how they will do things in the future. Next gen M3 is getting an upgraded S55(aka S58). No more all-new powerplants for each generation M car. X3M/X4M will get the S58 first.

S58 is B58 based not N54/5.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by lemetier

S58 is B58 based not N54/5.

Two diferences between a N55 and B58. B58 is closed deck and air to liquid intercooler. Guess what S55 is already closed deck and uses air to liquid. Yes the S58 will be an evolution of the S55.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Two diferences between a N55 and B58. B58 is closed deck and air to liquid intercooler. Guess what S55 is already closed deck and uses air to liquid. Yes the S58 will be an evolution of the S55.

And what about all the other changes besides those?

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by visualguy

I think the M550i is decent value, but the M5 not so much. I would just go with the M550i. It's overkill enough as it is for public roads.

The M5 is 600 HP versus 450 or so for the M550, plus you can switch between 2WD and AWD versus the Merc. (Not sure why this hasn't been standard for awhile like it is for SUVs and pickups.). We will have to see what the price looks like in the states. While the M550 is quick to 0-60 it is slower to the quarter mile. We will have to see if BMW will allow the top speed limiter to be above 200 MPH, the car should be capable of it. It looks like it may have a starting price here in the US of over $100K making used versions a more attractive option though few will be giving up their M5's soon to the used and CPO marketplace, keeping residuals high as has been the case with this halo car in the past.

[PaulT_M5]

Originally Posted by Igs

Well for the F90 you still need to add those pkgs because they are not standard. And Comp pack will come later for the F90 im sure.

Comfort - 1,195
Premium - 1,995
DASP - 1,470

Total 91,820 (about $119,000 USD)

My pricing example was purely about the UK cost and UK specifications. On the F10, we didn't have Comfort or Premium packages, everything was listed individually. The options I noted for the F10 were purely to bring it up to what is included as standard on the F90 in the UK.

I applied the competition pack to the F10 pricing, as it's the closest you can get to the power/performance of the F90 from BMW. I also accept there will most likely be a ZCP for the F90 at some point, but that will move the bar even further.

Regardless of minor option pack differences, I was trying to highlight that whilst the starting price for the F90 appears to be a lot higher, in the UK at least, as a like for like comparison, the prices aren't that far away


Now, whether you would have specified an F10 M5 with all of those options, is an entirely different matter - when I was looking at the F10, I certainly wouldn't have spent £6,700 on the competition package, nor £5,445 on full leather (rare in the UK) as neither could really be justified for my purposes.


One thing for sure is that I won't be placing an order until I've seen the car and also seen what sort of levels the discounts will come to - on the F10 after LCI launch time, 18-20% discounts from list price were achievable in the UK.

[sdshah]

Originally Posted by avex8

Lol eat that 50% depreciation after 1 year.

2015 M6 GC 140k running 65k now. Not 50% year 1 but super steep. This M5 will be get killed on deprecation.

[E60MKF]

Originally Posted by PaulT_335i

My pricing example was purely about the UK cost and UK specifications. On the F10, we didn't have Comfort or Premium packages, everything was listed individually. The options I noted for the F10 were purely to bring it up to what is included as standard on the F90 in the UK.

I applied the competition pack to the F10 pricing, as it's the closest you can get to the power/performance of the F90 from BMW. I also accept there will most likely be a ZCP for the F90 at some point, but that will move the bar even further.

Regardless of minor option pack differences, I was trying to highlight that whilst the starting price for the F90 appears to be a lot higher, in the UK at least, as a like for like comparison, the prices aren't that far away


Now, whether you would have specified an F10 M5 with all of those options, is an entirely different matter - when I was looking at the F10, I certainly wouldn't have spent £6,700 on the competition package, nor £5,445 on full leather (rare in the UK) as neither could really be justified for my purposes.


One thing for sure is that I won't be placing an order until I've seen the car and also seen what sort of levels the discounts will come to - on the F10 after LCI launch time, 18-20% discounts from list price were achievable in the UK.

The crazy discounts with BMW UK have gone mad with people able to get 20% off the G30 back in March which was a month after deliveries began. The F90 will see discounts from day 1 just like the G30 and will rapidly increase within weeks/months.

[PawnStar]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Anything new, anything different, anything innovative! They could have thrown a Quad Turbo 3.6L 6cyl engine in the new M5 for all I care, just as long as they put some real research, technology, and innovation into it. Updating the S63 engine to the TU4 version was nothing but a money and time saving measure for them. Just look at what other companies are doing, they are innovating. Mercedes with their new M256 engine and their new AMG53 line, Koenigsegg with their new camless designs, hell even Mazda has their new SkyActiv technology. The least M Division could have done was give us an 8,000rpm redline on the S63TU4, but that would probably negated the use of the ZF8 which is FINE with me.

Bottom line, this is the first M5 in decades to not feature a new engine. Some people refuse to spend $130k+ on a car with the exact same engine as before. Makes no sense from a car enthusiast standpoint.

This. ^

So apparently BMW board decided that cost savings (swapping out bespoke dual clutch transmission for a ZF sourced automatic, reusing the old engine, etc). will not effect sales but will add to the bottom line. I can't praise or blame them for trying to improve their profitability. But in time, the sales numbers will show if they were right.

Prediction: less sales but hopefully lower sales will be offset by higher margins.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by sdshah

2015 M6 GC 140k running 65k now. Not 50% year 1 but super steep. This M5 will be get killed on deprecation.

Exactly right. I was looking at an M6 Gran Coupe the other day. Their values just fell off a cliff after 3 years. Not as bad as an old Mercedes S Class but damn close.

[mjr24]

And why do you think the M6 GC depreciated so much? Because, again, a $140k M6 is fully loaded with options that most people don't care about. They aren't going to pay that pricing. You can put $100k of worthless options on a $75k car and sell it for $160k, that doesn't mean it's a deal.

The U.K. pricing makes sense now because they aren't offering the M550
there. They are basically gouging you.

It's all relative at this point....I've had SL AMGs, M6, etc....and I can't say I felt a ton of difference between those and when I had my 4Matic CLS550 power wise due to the other cars having too much power to put down on RWD. Many aren't going to pay the premium for the M5 just for the name anymore. That's more an endorsement of the M550i and its value versus an indictment of the M5. 470 horses with AWD? Faster than the F10 M5? $80k versus $119k for the M5? Done deal.

[PaulT_M5]

Originally Posted by E60MKF

The F90 will see discounts from day 1 just like the G30 and will rapidly increase within weeks/months.

Here's to hoping you're correct

[raysspl]

Bullocks

[KoenG]

M5 is assembled in Germany €, and sold in UK in GBP which suffered from more then 10% loss against the €. So, obviously the prices have to frog leap, just to compensate the monetary exchange rate.

PS, the US $ is also weak performing lately.