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Is this true? Audi #1, BMW #3?
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01-26-2006, 10:38 PM | #1 |
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Is this true? Audi #1, BMW #3?
It this poster full of it, or did Audi really beat out BMW in the new issue of Road & Track?
http://forums.audiworld.com/a4b7/msgs/32161.phtml |
01-26-2006, 10:59 PM | #2 |
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Someone did post "but this is R&T" indicating that there is probably an Audi leaning there.
Audi's quattro is recognised as being brilliant though, and maybe this win was on the basis of AWD capability only. Try our RWD against their FWD and see the difference...
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01-26-2006, 11:09 PM | #7 |
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Subura legacy beats a 3 series?!?!
uh-uh. no way. liar. bribe-taker just plain silly IMO
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I think that's about right. If we're talking about 4WD, I think Audi's Quattro and Subaru's 4WD technology is above BMW's Xi.
Everything other than quattro for Audi sux though. |
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I'm surprised the Lancer Evo IX is not in there.....
my brother is pissed cause his car didn't make the top 7....hahaha!
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They acknowledged the 330 was the better driver's car, but not $30k better than the 3.0 Liberty.
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Audis are kinda retarted? the motor is always in front of the front axle, yet the AWD is biased for rear?
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I don't think this is a great secret, or anyone disagrees with you, even dyed in the wool Audi supporters. It is simply not optimal. Hence RWD biased quattro not being generally available right now, I think the quattro in the RS4 is a "taste test". May as well get income off the engineering investment right now rather than wait for the B8 to be released... Audi believe in a longitudinal engine, the quattro will not mate with a transverse engine, hence the A3, TT and the VW stable all use a different and far inferior haldex system vs Audi's torsen diff. Longitudinal engines give rise to packaging problems, and they previously donated the A4 platform to the Passat when they released the next version. With VW now building the Passat off the Golf/A3 platform, the B8 A4 will be free of these constraints. It will be interesting to see if Audi are really serious about being sporty, because if they are, the B8 A4 will have its engine properly mounted behind the axle, and possibly be RWD... rumours have been circulating about RWD A4 mules doing the rounds... though it could have just been the new quattro system. The B7 is not really more than a major refresh, and so inherited the B6 architecture, which was frozen when Audi were not as serious about their sporting pretentions. You see car making is a business like any other... they have to make decisions about where to invest limited capital, and sometimes this can mean half-done cars and compromises... this is visible to you and I because we are enthusiasts, but to joe-public this is largely invisible because they see cars differently --- "I will have the red one thanks!"
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In fact, there was a post on this site recently quoting a foreign publication which preferred xDrive over 4 Matic (Mercs) and the Subaru system? I think that the truth is that there is not necessarily a better system but many systems each with different characteristics (strengths, weaknesses) when mated to a particular vehicle (weight distribution, suspension, vehicle mass, CofG etc.). Based on my own testing (I test drove lots of AWD cars prior to purchasing my 330xi) I would say that BMW focussed on retaining a RWD type driving dynamic. The xDrive system and the way it is integrated into DSTC seems to make for a very natural and non-intrusive drive. But I'm sure the Subaru would be better in deep mud/snow. (Having said that I'd love to see some test data!) |
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I may be full of it, but I took it there. http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=129445 |
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