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Yes, the i3 is horrible as well. I agree with you.
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It's almost a certainty that BMW quality will be significantly better than any Tesla ever made. So even if the i4 can't match the 0-60 time of the Model 3, it'll still have a significant advantage over the Model 3. Also, there's a good chance the overall driving dynamics of the i4 will be superior. Though the Model 3 is no slouch. Both are good. Neither looks stupid (except when they rush production and try to deliver cars with wrong interior panels or protruding body panels.) |
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03-26-2019, 06:09 PM | #69 | |
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Model 3 hits 0-60 in 3.1 seconds. And actually does 3.2 over and over again. Tesla's slowest Model 3 hits 60 in high 4 seconds. BMW / BMW M better pull more than a rabbit out of their hat.
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Also, the base Model 3 cars have a 0-60 of greater than 5 seconds. I'm not sure where you're getting that the slowest Tesla is in the 4s. I've definitely beat Model S cars with my Chevy SS and I'm sure I could walk a lot of the Model 3s I see around my area. Also, the i4 seems to have significantly more range which tells me that the i4 probably has enough battery discharge to go faster and that either the estimates are very conservative or that BMW is saving a faster car for a future release. Or maybe BMW's motors aren't as good as Teslas yet. Either way, I think you're jumping the gun. I think the real world difference in acceleration is going to be much closer than you think. The P70D is probably still going to be a bit faster, but almost surely not by a full second. |
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Model 3P runs low three sec times that's for sure, check all creditable publications. Tesla Model 3 Performance has been clocked ripping dead to 60 mph in a blistering 3.18 sec. The Model S P100D Ludicrous is the third fastest accelerating production car ever produced, with a 0-60 mph time of 2.5 seconds.
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The M5 competition is cheaper than the Model S P100D, has a 0-60 of 2.8s, costs about the same, and is faster than the P100D in the 1/4 mile. I'd say straight line performance is about equivalent with Tesla slightly ahead at slow speeds and the M5/M5C ahead at higher speeds. We know the track performance of the M5C is nearly at supercar level, too. The Tesla is more of a stop-light race novelty. The M5 is FAR more luxurious, sounds a lot better, and IMO is just a far better looking car. All for significantly less money. So what advantage does the P100D have again exactly? In the future, I'll buy electric cars and I'll like it. But for now, there's no compelling reason to go electric if the best we can get are Teslas. They're good cars, but I like all-around cars. There's no problem if you buy cars based on 0-60 times, but that's just not the most important aspect of a car to me. That's why I'm excited to see how the Taycans and the i4s of the car world will end up. Maybe they sacrifice some low speed acceleration, but gain a lot more in quality and dynamics. |
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Great times ahead.
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I think you overestimate how much it can help on a car that is already so powerful. Low 2s is extremely fast. Even the P100D, with a full electric drivetrain, can't hit low 2s on normal conditions. The M5 would need to add a bit more weight for a small motor and battery pack and the S63 already makes a ridiculous amount of torque at low RPM. The car is launched already at peak torque though with AWD, it probably could handle a bit more. But I doubt that you could improve the 0-60 time much more with a mild hybrid type system.
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Clearly BMW M has mastered their M-xDrive to get the power to the ground with little to zero fuss. I am excited to see BMW-i and BMW-M bring together their knowledge.
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It's already game over. By the time the i4 comes out he model 3 will be doing 0-60 2.9secs and 500miles of range Bmw should have bought Tesla 5 years ago Oh and it drives itself too |
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03-26-2019, 10:03 PM | #77 | |
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Just be thankful and have a little faith that BMW along with the other major players are finally joining the party with what will surely be competitive (and likely superior) BEV products for us to consume. As you said yourself, "Great times ahead."
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Oh, and there's zero chance Model 3 will have 500 mile range in 2021. You can't just wish away the existing battery chemistry limitations. |
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Put a 100kwh battery on the model 3 and you are at around 420miles Maybe in 7-8 years they will catch up but by then who knows what Tesla will be doing |
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Uuuu i see the anxious dinosaurs are commenting on electric cars, tick tock clarice, getting nervous are we.
Good .... Good (Emperors voice) I4 is gonna be a great car for those of us that don't want to buy a Tesla, not that there is anything wrong with Tesla, But i just want to drive an BMW with at least 400-500 km in one charge and because its BMW. So good that Tesla is making the other manufactures shift away some resources from ICE to Electric.
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the Model S initially came with a 65kwh battery and now they have 100kwh battery available... what makes you think they can't fit a bigger battery in the model 3 down the road? |
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Still a big disappointment. An hatcback is not a "Gran Coupe" in my eyes. Why can't they look to the 6GC - wich was stunning!
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I agree. I was planning to buy the i4 if it was like the concept (I like the futuristic look), but as for now, no thanks. I can't understand why BMW want to make the i4 Gran Coupe as a practical hatchback, and not an elegant 4-door coupe. I don't care about practical space for a car like this.
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There's nothing wrong with hatchbacks. F36 4GC is a hatchback. It looks amazing and is also extremely successful as a product. |
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but the fundamental point is that the range and power must be comparable to begin with, if the i4 ends up with the range of the freaking etron suv then it's a bust. |
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