[AntF32]

Originally Posted by polychromatic

Whose doing "Dry January” ?

I am. Made a drunken bet with a friend (neighbour) I could give up alcohol the longest, £100 to charity for the winner.

Add to that i'm also doing Keto to loose some weight it's going to be a tough January!

[hooligan_G01]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

I'm on a whiskey sour kick lately (not ghey). the whiskey part is easy, what are you guys/gals using for the sour part?

2 oz Bourbon
3⁄4 oz Fresh lemon juice
1⁄2 oz Simple syrup
1⁄2 oz Egg white

Take the time to squeeze some lemons. Fresh juice is miles better than anything pre-packaged. If your recipe doesn't have egg white in it, get the fuck out.

Also, doing a reverse dry shake is completely worth the time and effort for the mouthfeel and presentation it brings to the cocktail.

https://talesofthecocktail.com/techn...egg-white-foam

Cheers!

[hooligan_G01]

Originally Posted by Uber Commuter

Makers Mark is alright but there are far better bourbons for the price. Makers 46 is a bit better and has a more complex flavor from the additional aging.

"Far better" sub-$30 bourbons?

Hmmmmm..... Unless you're talking about local/regional stuff, nothing jumps immediately to mind.

[Uber Commuter]

Originally Posted by hooligan_COLD

"Far better" sub-$30 bourbons?

Hmmmmm..... Unless you're talking about local/regional stuff, nothing jumps immediately to mind.

Well, when i say "for the price" I mean in the same general range, so anything close counts to me. I'd rather spend an extra $5 for a much better bourbon, for example.

Prices may vary by region, obviously; but here are a few in my area:

Buffalo Trace: ~$20 (I get it for $18.99 on mil bases, but usually under $30 anyway)
Four Roses: ~$20
Larceny: ~$30
Eagle Rare: ~$30
Russell's Reserve 10 year: ~$30
Elijah Craig Small Batch: ~$30
Four Roses Small Batch ~$35
Barton's 1792: ~$35
Henry McKenna 10 year Bottled in Bond: ~$35
Jefferson's Very Small Batch: ~$40

Taste-buds also vary, but I would personally rate every one of the above as a better bourbon than Maker's.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

I've been dry this whole decade!!!

Roaring 20s, my chapped ass.

6 more days....

Originally Posted by hooligan_COLD

2 oz Bourbon
3⁄4 oz Fresh lemon juice
1⁄2 oz Simple syrup
1⁄2 oz Egg white

Take the time to squeeze some limes. Fresh juice is miles better than anything pre-packaged. If your recipe doesn't have egg white in it, get the fuck out.

Also, doing a reverse dry shake is completely worth the time and effort for the mouthfeel and presentation it brings to the cocktail.

https://talesofthecocktail.com/techn...egg-white-foam

Cheers!

Also - making your own simple syrup is super easy and doesn't take long. Always best if you know the source and process of your ingredients!

Originally Posted by Uber Commuter

Well, when i say "for the price" I mean in the same general range, so anything close counts to me. I'd rather spend an extra $5 for a much better bourbon, for example.

Prices may vary by region, obviously; but here are a few in my area:

Buffalo Trace: ~$20 (I get it for $18.99 on mil bases, but usually under $30 anyway)
Four Roses: ~$20
Larceny: ~$30
Eagle Rare: ~$30
Russell's Reserve 10 year: ~$30
Elijah Craig Small Batch: ~$30
Four Roses Small Batch ~$35
Barton's 1792: ~$35
Henry McKenna 10 year Bottled in Bond: ~$35
Jefferson's Very Small Batch: ~$40

Taste-buds also vary, but I would personally rate every one of the above as a better bourbon than Maker's.

Taste buds do vary but I don't think either of those Four roses are in the same league. Not a fan of buffalo trace myself but I know a lot are. The McKenna MSRP is over $40 now, the rest are good but definitely not "significantly better".

The only one I would possibly put in that category would be OGD114.

BTW - if you like Russels 10y, I believe Target sells it for $23 a bottle as their normal price. For that it is a great daily drinker.

Plus, I must say your price ranges seem odd on the Makers too. I can get the Makers for $22 and the Makers 46 for $37, which I would put the 46 above just about everything on your list. Talking in the $40 price range, I also get Wild Turkey Rare Breed, which for me tops the 46 also.

[hooligan_G01]

Originally Posted by Uber Commuter

Well, when i say "for the price" I mean in the same general range, so anything close counts to me. I'd rather spend an extra $5 for a much better bourbon, for example.

Prices may vary by region, obviously; but here are a few in my area:

Buffalo Trace: ~$20 (I get it for $18.99 on mil bases, but usually under $30 anyway)
Four Roses: ~$20
Larceny: ~$30
Eagle Rare: ~$30
Russell's Reserve 10 year: ~$30
Elijah Craig Small Batch: ~$30
Four Roses Small Batch ~$35
Barton's 1792: ~$35
Henry McKenna 10 year Bottled in Bond: ~$35
Jefferson's Very Small Batch: ~$40

Taste-buds also vary, but I would personally rate every one of the above as a better bourbon than Maker's.

Well, when you're allowing for a 30% price variance, I'm not sure that really qualifies for "the same" money. But to your list:

I'll agree that tastes vary, and what you prefer is likely different from what I prefer.

I'd argue that most of those bourbons listed aren't objectively "better" than Maker's. Some are, most are not. I prefer Eagle Rare to Maker's, but I'd take Maker's over BT all day. I'd put Four Roses yellow label below Maker's, same with Larceny, IMO.

[Uber Commuter]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Taste buds do vary but I don't think either of those Four roses are in the same league. Not a fan of buffalo trace myself but I know a lot are. The McKenna MSRP is over $40 now, the rest are good but definitely not "significantly better".

The only one I would possibly put in that category would be OGD114.

BTW - if you like Russels 10y, I believe Target sells it for $23 a bottle as their normal price. For that it is a great daily drinker.

Wow... I agree Four Roses Small Batch isn't in the same league as Maker's Mark, I just think we are in opposite directions of what that means...

I just bought a bottle of McKenna for $23 two weeks ago; like I said regional prices vary a lot.

No liquor or beer can be sold in Target/Walmart/etc in my state, only licensed liquor stores.

[hooligan_G01]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

...Also - making your own simple syrup is super easy and doesn't take long. Always best if you know the source and process of your ingredients!...

Agreed 100%! Do people actually buy simple syrup?

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Taste buds do vary but I don't think either of those Four roses are in the same league. Not a fan of buffalo trace myself but I know a lot are. The McKenna MSRP is over $40 now, the rest are good but definitely not "significantly better".

The only one I would possibly put in that category would be OGD114.

BTW - if you like Russels 10y, I believe Target sells it for $23 a bottle as their normal price. For that it is a great daily drinker.

Plus, I must say your price ranges seem odd on the Makers too. I can get the Makers for $22 and the Makers 46 for $37, which I would put the 46 above just about everything on your list. Talking in the $40 price range, I also get Wild Turkey Rare Breed, which for me tops the 46 also.

Excellent call on the OGD114. When you can find it, state min here is ~$25, I think. Screaming bargain at that price, IMO.

[polychromatic]

Originally Posted by hooligan_COLD

2 oz Bourbon
3⁄4 oz Fresh lemon juice
1⁄2 oz Simple syrup
1⁄2 oz Egg white

Take the time to squeeze some limes. Fresh juice is miles better than anything pre-packaged.

Word check here: recipe says Lemon, then “squeeze some limes”..

[hooligan_G01]

Originally Posted by Uber Commuter

Wow... I agree Four Roses Small Batch isn't in the same league as Maker's Mark, I just think we are in opposite directions of what that means...

I just bought a bottle of McKenna for $23 two weeks ago; like I said regional prices vary a lot.

No liquor or beer can be sold in Target/Walmart/etc in my state, only licensed liquor stores.

You bought McKenna BiB for $23 recently? I was sure they raised prices across the country after they won that gold medal.

Good on you, if you did. I bought a bottle in Nov at the local Costco for $38, I think.

That bottle of Parker's 8 year rye I just bought was $150.

[hooligan_G01]

Originally Posted by polychromatic

Word check here: recipe says Lemon, then “squeeze some limes”..

Sorry, brain cramp. "Squeeze some lemons".

I'll edit.

[Uber Commuter]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

The only one I would possibly put in that category would be OGD114.

Plus, I must say your price ranges seem odd on the Makers too. I can get the Makers for $22 and the Makers 46 for $37, which I would put the 46 above just about everything on your list. Talking in the $40 price range, I also get Wild Turkey Rare Breed, which for me tops the 46 also.

Once again, prices vary widely by region... Maker's is $35 around my area in most places. I can get it cheaper on base, but again, why would I want to when I prefer so many other bourbons over it.

I haven't tried OGD114 but I'll look for it.

Originally Posted by hooligan_COLD

Well, when you're allowing for a 30% price variance, I'm not sure that really qualifies for "the same" money. But to your list:

I went with the price you quoted "sub-$30". In my area Maker's is ~$35 to begin with so not a big price variance.

Originally Posted by hooligan_COLD

I'd argue that most of those bourbons listed aren't objectively "better" than Maker's. Some are, most are not. I prefer Eagle Rare to Maker's, but I'd take Maker's over BT all day. I'd put Four Roses yellow label below Maker's, same with Larceny, IMO.

So now we are trying to quantify "better."

IMO Jim Beam and Jack Daniels are the Coors and Budweiser of bourbons, and Maker's is the Michelob. Cheap, mass-produced, and bland/sweet without any real character. That means it is repeatably well-produced, but definitely not "better" than any of the products I listed.

I'd even take Bulleit over Maker's, as a mixer it's a much better flavor profile.

Guess we'll all have to agree to disagree. As long as you have a good every-day bourbon you like to drink, I'll just say "cheers"

[Uber Commuter]

And yes, McKenna BiB for $23. Last one I could find though; haven't seen it on any shelf since unfortunately...

[hooligan_G01]

Originally Posted by Uber Commuter

Once again, prices vary widely by region... Maker's is $35 around my area in most places. I can get it cheaper on base, but again, why would I want to when I prefer so many other bourbons over it.

I haven't tried OGD114 but I'll look for it.


I went with the price you quoted "sub-$30". In my area Maker's is ~$35 to begin with so not a big price variance.


So now we are trying to quantify "better."

IMO Jim Beam and Jack Daniels are the Coors and Budweiser of bourbons, and Maker's is the Michelob. Cheap, mass-produced, and bland/sweet without any real character. That means it is repeatably well-produced, but definitely not "better" than any of the products I listed.

I'd even take Bulleit over Maker's, as a mixer it's a much better flavor profile.

Guess we'll all have to agree to disagree. As long as you have a good every-day bourbon you like to drink, I'll just say "cheers"

Exactly my point, my friend. Exactly.



MGP Bulleit or their own in-house juice?

[hooligan_G01]

Originally Posted by Uber Commuter

And yes, McKenna BiB for $23. Last one I could find though; haven't seen it on any shelf since unfortunately...

Enjoy it. It went from ~$25 here to ~$40 this year.

It was a great bottle at $25. Much less so at $40.

[hooligan_G01]

Originally Posted by Uber Commuter

...As long as you have a good every-day bourbon you like to drink, I'll just say "cheers"

Got it covered.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by hooligan_COLD

Sorry, brain cramp. "Squeeze some lemons".

I'll edit.

I'd just assumed he was Mexican and confused himself.

[hooligan_G01]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

I'd just assumed he was Mexican and confused himself.

Afraid I'm missing the joke here.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by hooligan_COLD

Afraid I'm missing the joke here.

Generally lemons don't exist in much of Latin and South America.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pri...ountries%3famp

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by hooligan_COLD

Enjoy it. It went from ~$25 here to ~$40 this year.

It was a great bottle at $25. Much less so at $40.

I agree with this. I cannot find it under $40 anywhere anymore, at $23 I would snatch it up.

I'll have to take a up-to-date pic of my whiskey shelf and post it up tonight.

[mecheng77]

Originally Posted by Uber Commuter

Once again, prices vary widely by region... Maker's is $35 around my area in most places. I can get it cheaper on base, but again, why would I want to when I prefer so many other bourbons over it.

I haven't tried OGD114 but I'll look for it.

I went with the price you quoted "sub-$30". In my area Maker's is ~$35 to begin with so not a big price variance.

So now we are trying to quantify "better."

IMO Jim Beam and Jack Daniels are the Coors and Budweiser of bourbons, and Maker's is the Michelob. Cheap, mass-produced, and bland/sweet without any real character. That means it is repeatably well-produced, but definitely not "better" than any of the products I listed.

I'd even take Bulleit over Maker's, as a mixer it's a much better flavor profile.

Guess we'll all have to agree to disagree. As long as you have a good every-day bourbon you like to drink, I'll just say "cheers"

Originally Posted by Uber Commuter

Once again, prices vary widely by region... Maker's is $35 around my area in most places. I can get it cheaper on base, but again, why would I want to when I prefer so many other bourbons over it.

I haven't tried OGD114 but I'll look for it.

I went with the price you quoted "sub-$30". In my area Maker's is ~$35 to begin with so not a big price variance.

So now we are trying to quantify "better."

IMO Jim Beam and Jack Daniels are the Coors and Budweiser of bourbons, and Maker's is the Michelob. Cheap, mass-produced, and bland/sweet without any real character. That means it is repeatably well-produced, but definitely not "better" than any of the products I listed.

I'd even take Bulleit over Maker's, as a mixer it's a much better flavor profile.

Guess we'll all have to agree to disagree. As long as you have a good every-day bourbon you like to drink, I'll just say "cheers"

Couldn't agree more, they have no taste profile. I find with Canadian whiskeys they are affordable like the lower end bourbons but they still have a flavour profile, different from scotch but nice I their own way.

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Some Bubbly from our New Years Eve Party