[darielsantana]

Thank god i bought secondary cats and remus catback. The only thing I envy from AMG is their exhaust sound and now we are getting worst.

[AHall]

I quote Agent Smith, "Do you hear that Neil, it is the sound of inevitability.".

[M5 F90 (2018)]

Just had my recall confirmed today and remembered there was something on here about it. Good job we have this forum u lot are great.....thank you!! I will be cancelling the booking and they can stick it!! If I didn't want pops and bangs, I would have bought an electric car. I want my V8 to put a smile on my face and my daughters when we want and this car does that. Thank you again!!

[gblansten]

Got the routine oil change done yesterday. Requested no software update. Glad I pay attention to this board.

[F30Andy]

I have a friend that is a service manager in a main dealer that I have been trying to get hold of all day.
He got back to me a short while ago.

I started the conversation with some small talk about needing an oil change and he said, "Yes no problem but there is something I need to tell you before you do it."

The gist of it is that this software update (amongst many other things) is a borderline mild remap of the car.

He has said everyone he has done it for in a F90 has commented that you notice a difference in how the car drives for the better. Apparently it also increases MPG without sacrificing power.

He also said EVERYONE including those with aftermarket exhausts have complained that the exhaust note has changed for the worse along with a drastic reduction in snap crackle and pop.

I have been told I can bring the car in for the oil change and the recall and he can do it without having to do the software update, but only for now.

Because of how long it takes the dealer to do the update BMW have allowed some leeway for now and have not made it a step that has to be done by the dealer immediately.
He has told me that within a year or so it will be unavoidable either because
A. There will be some sort of recall where a component that gets replaced will require the updated software to function.
B. It will be mandatory for the dealer to complete this step as the service history will not update without it.

This leaves me in the conundrum that I now need to decide if I should just get it over and done with and embrace it or if I should avoid it like covid.

What would you do?

[AHall]

Originally Posted by F30Andy

I have a friend that is a service manager in a main dealer that I have been trying to get hold of all day.
He got back to me a short while ago.

I started the conversation with some small talk about needing an oil change and he said, "Yes no problem but there is something I need to tell you before you do it."

The gist of it is that this software update (amongst many other things) is a borderline mild remap of the car.

He has said everyone he has done it for in a F90 has commented that you notice a difference in how the car drives for the better. Apparently it also increases MPG without sacrificing power.

He also said EVERYONE including those with aftermarket exhausts have complained that the exhaust note has changed for the worse along with a drastic reduction in snap crackle and pop.

I have been told I can bring the car in for the oil change and the recall and he can do it without having to do the software update, but only for now.

Because of how long it takes the dealer to do the update BMW have allowed some leeway for now and have not made it a step that has to be done by the dealer immediately.
He has told me that within a year or so it will be unavoidable either because
A. There will be some sort of recall where a component that gets replaced will require the updated software to function.
B. It will be mandatory for the dealer to complete this step as the service history will not update without it.

This leaves me in the conundrum that I now need to decide if I should just get it over and done with and embrace it or if I should avoid it like covid.

What would you do?

I quote Agent Smith, "Do you hear that Neil, it is the sound of inevitability.".

I wonder what "the car drives for the better." means. Of course better gas mileage is a plus.

I wonder if the software is different for the UK versus the USA resulting in the a reduction in exhaust noise due to UK or EU requirements.

[Resjudicata]

Originally Posted by F30Andy

I have a friend that is a service manager in a main dealer that I have been trying to get hold of all day.
He got back to me a short while ago.

I started the conversation with some small talk about needing an oil change and he said, "Yes no problem but there is something I need to tell you before you do it."

The gist of it is that this software update (amongst many other things) is a borderline mild remap of the car.

He has said everyone he has done it for in a F90 has commented that you notice a difference in how the car drives for the better. Apparently it also increases MPG without sacrificing power.

He also said EVERYONE including those with aftermarket exhausts have complained that the exhaust note has changed for the worse along with a drastic reduction in snap crackle and pop.

I have been told I can bring the car in for the oil change and the recall and he can do it without having to do the software update, but only for now.

Because of how long it takes the dealer to do the update BMW have allowed some leeway for now and have not made it a step that has to be done by the dealer immediately.
He has told me that within a year or so it will be unavoidable either because
A. There will be some sort of recall where a component that gets replaced will require the updated software to function.
B. It will be mandatory for the dealer to complete this step as the service history will not update without it.

This leaves me in the conundrum that I now need to decide if I should just get it over and done with and embrace it or if I should avoid it like covid.

What would you do?

there might be a recall which could be a problem. but it's never mandatory if you go to another shop for oil changes and maintaince if you trust a local shop.

I think you have to make a choice: do you want to continue going to the stealerships?
or find a bmw speciality local shop?

[HokieM4]

MB and Tesla already do these updates over the air without a visit to the stealership. It's only a matter of time BMW does too.

[pcai]

Originally Posted by darielsantana

Thank god i bought secondary cats and remus catback. The only thing I envy from AMG is their exhaust sound and now we are getting worst.

New amgs sound like crap too thanks to the eu.

[pcai]

Originally Posted by F30Andy

I have a friend that is a service manager in a main dealer that I have been trying to get hold of all day.
He got back to me a short while ago.

I started the conversation with some small talk about needing an oil change and he said, "Yes no problem but there is something I need to tell you before you do it."

The gist of it is that this software update (amongst many other things) is a borderline mild remap of the car.

He has said everyone he has done it for in a F90 has commented that you notice a difference in how the car drives for the better. Apparently it also increases MPG without sacrificing power.

He also said EVERYONE including those with aftermarket exhausts have complained that the exhaust note has changed for the worse along with a drastic reduction in snap crackle and pop.

I have been told I can bring the car in for the oil change and the recall and he can do it without having to do the software update, but only for now.

Because of how long it takes the dealer to do the update BMW have allowed some leeway for now and have not made it a step that has to be done by the dealer immediately.
He has told me that within a year or so it will be unavoidable either because
A. There will be some sort of recall where a component that gets replaced will require the updated software to function.
B. It will be mandatory for the dealer to complete this step as the service history will not update without it.

This leaves me in the conundrum that I now need to decide if I should just get it over and done with and embrace it or if I should avoid it like covid.

What would you do?

If in the future you can't even have the dealer do your annual oil changes without forcing you to update your software, that would be absurd. Imagine buying a car and after a few years, the car's sound gets neutered because of a software update. What kind of bs is that?

[M5 F90 (2018)]

This is getting more interesting by the minute. My car will be 3 years old in September so im going to hold fire and I really want the pops and bangs full stop! The car needs a service just before the end of the warranty period so if its a must by then, I will have no choice. My plan is to take the car to Imran at Evolve to work his magic shortly after and therefore can re programme the pops and bangs back in. Fingers crossed!! Its moments like this that im glad the UK is leaving the EU and lets push on with Brexit. There is some absolute nonsense around with all these rules and maybe, just maybe we might be able to avoid some of it, however assume like you guys in the US and abroad the cars will come standard with all these noise restrictions. Oh well...…...

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by F30Andy

I have a friend that is a service manager in a main dealer that I have been trying to get hold of all day.
He got back to me a short while ago.

I started the conversation with some small talk about needing an oil change and he said, "Yes no problem but there is something I need to tell you before you do it."

The gist of it is that this software update (amongst many other things) is a borderline mild remap of the car.

He has said everyone he has done it for in a F90 has commented that you notice a difference in how the car drives for the better. Apparently it also increases MPG without sacrificing power.

He also said EVERYONE including those with aftermarket exhausts have complained that the exhaust note has changed for the worse along with a drastic reduction in snap crackle and pop.

I have been told I can bring the car in for the oil change and the recall and he can do it without having to do the software update, but only for now.

Because of how long it takes the dealer to do the update BMW have allowed some leeway for now and have not made it a step that has to be done by the dealer immediately.
He has told me that within a year or so it will be unavoidable either because
A. There will be some sort of recall where a component that gets replaced will require the updated software to function.
B. It will be mandatory for the dealer to complete this step as the service history will not update without it.

This leaves me in the conundrum that I now need to decide if I should just get it over and done with and embrace it or if I should avoid it like covid.

What would you do?

Coming from the outside in this somewhat confirms that BMW is pushing the exhaust reduction (regardless of your state as they only have one build for the US) to address the states with exhaust dBA restriction requirements. Why else would just a simple oil change introduce an iDrive 7 update? Also, keep in mind that dealers do not get warranty labor hours on iDrive updates unless they can track it back to a problem.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by HokieM4

MB and Tesla already do these updates over the air without a visit to the stealership. It's only a matter of time BMW does too.

It's already happening in the BMW world with the 8-series being the first in 2019 to support OTA (over the air) updates. Case-in-point is my M850i was initially neutered with my OTA from 11/2019.55 which had glorious exhaust to 11/2019.70 (technically a 2020 release pushed in June of this year). I'm guessing the 2020/2021 M5's support OTA now as well so rule of thumb is to not accept it.

[MysticBlue]

So, how long before the class action suit gets filed? Test drove a car with certain characteristics, bought the car based on those characteristics, and they change those characteristics. Bait and switch. Apple reduced the performance of the iPhone with a software update, and had to pay.

[Resjudicata]

Originally Posted by MysticBlue

So, how long before the class action suit gets filed? Test drove a car with certain characteristics, bought the car based on those characteristics, and they change those characteristics. Bait and switch. Apple reduced the performance of the iPhone with a software update, and had to pay.

it's possible

[F30Andy]

Originally Posted by Resjudicata

it's possible

That is not all that is possible I am upset to say.

I don't know if you guys accross the pond have encountered this yet but here goes.........

I manage a large fleet of vehicles for my company.

I recently get one of the staff a new 1 series.

I notice this 1 series has the "A" button on the side of the indicator stalk.

I think to myself "I did not spec this driver high beam assist or adaptive headlights. Why does this car have this button?"

Turns out BMW now install the hardware from the factory for certain things (this being one of them) but do not activate it unless you pay a subscription.

[Earlando86]

Originally Posted by MysticBlue

So, how long before the class action suit gets filed? Test drove a car with certain characteristics, bought the car based on those characteristics, and they change those characteristics. Bait and switch. Apple reduced the performance of the iPhone with a software update, and had to pay.

I agree and the sad thing is they don’t even tell you. Who wants to find out their pops and burbles are gone while driving home afterwards. This sucks! I have a non comp 2019 M5 and it sounds magical. It’s all stock and I get asked about it all the time. Without the sound, I might as well trade it in for something else.

[chiguanodude]

Does anyone have a video of the LCI reving. As above, my 2019 sounds great and exhaust note is the only hesitation I have in getting into a 2021. I had the “recall” done. Took a few hours for them to do the update. I will say car sound did not change on my end. Thank you.

[7summits]

Originally Posted by F30Andy

I have a friend that is a service manager in a main dealer that I have been trying to get hold of all day.
He got back to me a short while ago.

I started the conversation with some small talk about needing an oil change and he said, "Yes no problem but there is something I need to tell you before you do it."

The gist of it is that this software update (amongst many other things) is a borderline mild remap of the car.

He has said everyone he has done it for in a F90 has commented that you notice a difference in how the car drives for the better. Apparently it also increases MPG without sacrificing power.

He also said EVERYONE including those with aftermarket exhausts have complained that the exhaust note has changed for the worse along with a drastic reduction in snap crackle and pop.

I have been told I can bring the car in for the oil change and the recall and he can do it without having to do the software update, but only for now.

Because of how long it takes the dealer to do the update BMW have allowed some leeway for now and have not made it a step that has to be done by the dealer immediately.
He has told me that within a year or so it will be unavoidable either because
A. There will be some sort of recall where a component that gets replaced will require the updated software to function.
B. It will be mandatory for the dealer to complete this step as the service history will not update without it.

This leaves me in the conundrum that I now need to decide if I should just get it over and done with and embrace it or if I should avoid it like covid.

What would you do?

So you are saying even an aftermarket exhaust won't be that great with this new software? I am planning on ordering a M5C on Monday and this whole thread has me seriously considering otherwise.

[Aronis]

This is very interesting. I have been called by my local BMW Dealer to come in for my NYS inspection. Screw that, I am going to an independent for that. If they somehow tell me there is a recall and the car fails inspection, then BMW made my decision about buying out the lease for me. No thanks. I have been looking at the new Cayman GTS 4.0 and perhaps this BMW BS will help me decide.

My dad had a V10 M5 when I first got my 2003 RS6. His car sounded like a Honda Civic, while my RS6 has a naturally made ROAR that BMW can only dream of in their turbo cars. I don't know how Audi does it, but with Audi's Sound Enhanced Exhaust the RS6 sounded GREAT when you got on it, but was quiet for a daily drive. The addition of the FAKE noise is complete BULLSHIT anyway. They should have been able to do it o'natural.

So, here is a consideration: When I got my 2016 M2, I quickly coded out the fake noise because that car was obnoxious when driving down the highway. I did the same on the M5 a week after I got it, not realizing the BUTTON did the same thing. After a big service (ie. rebuild the car) I noticed the first day I drove it, wow this car is louder than I remembered. Then I release they coded it back to stock. I pushed the button and said um. that is easier.

So....long story short, has anyone look with coding software to see if they can TURN THAT BACK ON THEMSELVES????

This is a screen shot of BimmerCode on the iPhone.

Mike

[nolaf90]

I checked bmwusa website and my 2020 m5c (November 2020 build date) shows no active safety or emissions recalls. Does that mean I've already had this done? If so, I still have pops and bangs in sport mode.

[ashmostro]

It doesn't. The recall for this specific issue does not seem to have been published externally yet.