What's with the throttle delay on these engines?

Soul_Glo · 09-06-2016, 12:53 AM

No not turbo lag. Throttle lag! Are BMW holding back in hope to extend the lifespan of the gear box / drive train?

We drove a brand spanking new 1 series this week.. and it is much the same as our 2012 F30 320D... there is a delay when you put your foot down...

I think people will know what I am talking about... some are not bothered by it and have learned to live with it... others like myself consider it stupid and dangerous... especially when pulling out of junctions.

I came across a thread online and someone has measured it as 0.3 seconds delay...

What are the solutions?

Fork!TheSpoonWrecker · 09-06-2016, 01:55 AM

all fly by wire cars are like that. you could get something like sprint booster and it would help.

fsd350 · 09-06-2016, 05:56 PM

Sport mode, 1st gear helps a little

Soul_Glo · 09-06-2016, 11:11 PM

Can this not be replaced with a different system or something?

I don't like the idea of boosted throttle. The pedal would be all over the place as by the time you are half way on the pedal,you are near wide open throttle so kicking down beyond the point of resistance would do nothing. Also imagine if you you don't invest in one with different settings. That is probably asking for it in snow and ice type conditions.

Wish they would make it like my E92. No noticeable throttle lag whatsoever.

the dope steez · 09-06-2016, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Broken_Gearbox

No not turbo lag. Throttle lag! Are BMW holding back in hope to extend the lifespan of the gear box / drive train?

We drove a brand spanking new 1 series this week.. and it is much the same as our 2012 F30 320D... there is a delay when you put your foot down...

I think people will know what I am talking about... some are not bothered by it and have learned to live with it... others like myself consider it stupid and dangerous... especially when pulling out of junctions.

I came across a thread online and someone has measured it as 0.3 seconds delay...

What are the solutions?

Solution = manual transmission.

Soul_Glo · 09-07-2016, 03:36 AM

I know! Just become lazy that's all. Once upon a time loved manual. However, the auto box has come a long way. My 8 speed ZF is lightening fast and more economical than a manual... hardly feel the shifts... always in the correct gear for the given situation but doesn't want to cooperate for take offs.

Nadir Point · 09-07-2016, 10:40 AM

You have a screen name quite appropriate for this particular thread you started.

larrysing · 09-07-2016, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fork!TheSpoonWrecker

all fly by wire cars are like that. you could get something like sprint booster and it would help.

I second the Sprint Booster idea.

Bought one for my daughter's 335d, and it provides near-instant response and makes the car "feel lighter."

100% will solve your issue.

Soul_Glo · 09-07-2016, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by UberArchetype

You have a screen name quite appropriate for this particular thread you started.

Lol that was for when I joined and my ZF 6HP had a valve body replacement.

Hoooper · 09-07-2016, 02:11 PM

Or just push the pedal down faster and use the sprint booster money on something more useful

mjn77 · 09-09-2016, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoooper

use the sprint booster money on something more useful

Like beer

Soul_Glo · 09-09-2016, 11:23 AM

That would be a lot of beer money. Hmmm foot down or beer?
To alcohol! The cause of and solution to all of life's problems. Beer it is.

Yozh · 09-09-2016, 07:41 PM

Could also be the affects of the traction control dumping engine power.

Soul_Glo · 09-10-2016, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Yozh

Could also be the affects of the traction control dumping engine power.

No doubt the electronic wizardry has something to do with it. A bit of an over complicated system me thinks. Typical German engineering. If they can stick a sensor on it then they will.

Nadir Point · 09-10-2016, 09:56 AM

This "phenomenon" is torque management applied by the DDE. It's perfectly normal, expected and personally I wouldn't have it any other way. It's part of learning how to drive a diesel. Gear teeth, axle splines and various other driveline hard parts tend to be expensive and time-consuming to repair.

Adieu · 09-27-2016, 02:03 PM

If you want a 335d to go FAST, your right hand should get used to its new life on the gearshift lever

Oh and give her a shot of Howes, bad diesel fuel + no additives = drastic loss of response

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