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      04-03-2018, 05:14 PM   #45
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I'm not joking. I pulled my deposit on the M5. The M5 interior design looks like a 3 series to me. Same shape and overall design concept. Nothing screams special about it. It's boring to my eye. You feel like you are in a spaceship in the e63s. The design is far superior. I actually felt like I was in 100k sport sedan when I was in the Mercedes.
Yea, a sports car with two stacked iPad screens and a column shifter. It doesn't get any sportier than that I haven't driven either car so can't comment on the performance but with all due respect I don't see anything like 3 series interior in the new M5.
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So in this video both cars were using Launch Control? Is that right? Seems like the M5 was definitely using Launch Control but no mention of it in the video for the Mercedes.

Also, I believe that the DCT also autoshifts from 1st into 2nd gear when using Launch Control.

Can anyone confirm that if you are in manual shift mode and you miss the shift in the F90 M5 that the transmission will not shift up automatically with the ZF8 transmission?i
I think even if the transmission is in the manual mode, the car will do the upshift automatically as long as your foot is in the floor when launching with LC . I've seen this in another vid . In this one (Go to the minute 6:00) :
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I'm not joking. I pulled my deposit on the M5. The M5 interior design looks like a 3 series to me. Same shape and overall design concept. Nothing screams special about it. It's boring to my eye. You feel like you are in a spaceship in the e63s. The design is far superior. I actually felt like I was in 100k sport sedan when I was in the Mercedes.
Yea, a sports car with two stacked iPad screens and a column shifter. It doesn't get any sportier than that I haven't driven either car so can't comment on the performance but with all due respect I don't see anything like 3 series interior in the new M5.
Column shifter is fine with me. The M5 shift knob is hideous. I've had 5 Ms. last one being f80(which was my least favorite M car). Mercedes has pulled ahead in my eyes. I tried to like the M5 after driving the e63s but I couldn't. I got my money back and purchased the AMG. BMW doesn't even put real carbon in the car anymore and the AMG performance seats are much sportier than the M5.
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are you on the payroll of Mercedes UK?
On Donald's....so much FAKE NEWS in the car world.
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I'm not joking. I pulled my deposit on the M5. The M5 interior design looks like a 3 series to me. Same shape and overall design concept. Nothing screams special about it. It's boring to my eye. You feel like you are in a spaceship in the e63s. The design is far superior. I actually felt like I was in 100k sport sedan when I was in the Mercedes.
Yea, a sports car with two stacked iPad screens and a column shifter. It doesn't get any sportier than that I haven't driven either car so can't comment on the performance but with all due respect I don't see anything like 3 series interior in the new M5.
Column shifter is fine with me. The M5 shift knob is hideous. I've had 5 Ms. last one being f80(which was my least favorite M car). Mercedes has pulled ahead in my eyes. I tried to like the M5 after driving the e63s but I couldn't. I got my money back and purchased the AMG.
Well, it doesn't matter what we think as long as you are happy with your purchase. Although I feel like you cannot really go wrong with either... Enjoy your new AMG!
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M5 looks better too
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-M5 jumped
-Fatter driver in E63s
-E63s with the panoramic roof and M5 with carbon
-M5 with the lighter ceramics
-E63s prob full tank, M5 on empty
-E63s bricks in boot
-No distance or times

They have done this to drive subscriptions (opposite video to CarWow = more attention and link shares). Look at the other vids on their channel f10 M5 beats AMG GTS....

Secondly, Car and Driver and Road and Track are the SAME publication house so their results won't vary (BMW prob gave them the same tuned press car). There are just as many reviews around the world e.g. Evo Magazine, Top Gear, Chris Harris that point towards E63s. Media these days is a shambles of promoted/hyped content.

Its a bit weird how Top Gear UK pulled the M5 vs. E63s comparison from the most recent season even though it was in their trailer. Let me guess M5 didn't do well enough.
m5 had always edged out the e class amg. thid time its the closest. there was a forum member that posted race and honestly itd whoever gets off the line first/steps on the gas/ doesnt fuck up shift etc etc. its too close to call and def not rigged.
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Just as a point of reference for an AT, the ZF6 in the E70 X5 M auto-shifts from 1st to 2nd in manual mode when using Launch Control.
Is this why he's getting two shifts in rapid succession? I'm guessing he thinks he's trying to hit the 1-2 shift, but the car has already decided to do it, so he's actually clicking the 2-3 shift?

He notes that it's happening in both runs, but never really explains it or corrects for it.
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You Sir, are very admirable for commenting on that.

All the publications referred to previously are copies of each other:

R&T/C&D=Hearst Publications
CAR mag/Automobile mag/Motor mag=Bauer Media

Their job is to market for the manufacturers across platforms to make it seem like a large consensus.

If you look at publications independently you will actually find that E63s is winning more than the m5 for being a raw beast (which is what you want otherwise get a 335i).

Besides this, ignore magazines, test drive and make your own opinion.
Are you saying that the above Hearst owned magazine tests that both show the M5 quicker to 60mph and the 1/4 mile are a rigged outcome and are false?
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The relevance of this kind of test is a total mistery to me. When will you find an AMG E63s next to you on an unrestricted (no radar) free road in front of you. Exactly...never! Suppose just for fun, you have it next to you... will you launch control it to just be a few centimeters ahead of it at +100mph? I wouldn't. I would give it a thumbs up for his machine, and he will probably generously return it.

reducing an M5 or a an E63s to a simple drag race is near blasphemy. It's all about the experience of owning such a splendid beast that you can control for the commute home to work and for the occassional shopping. It's the cruiser for the weekend and the longer vacation trips to the ski resorts. It's more about containing the beast in all day traffic and totally NOT about drag racing on the strip.

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It's a sad day when the focus of an M car is in a drag race. Next thing you will tell me is that muscle cars lay down faster lap times...
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I wonder if the E 63 wagon would've done any better? Doesn't it have more horsepower?
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Can I post the excuses when a car loses a pointless race? For all cars okay?

- Driver's too fat!
- Road conditions aren't perfect.
- Driver doesn't know how to use launch control!
- Tire pressure is off!
- Magazine bias!
- Driver's suck! I know best!

If I missed any let me know, I'll add it to the list.
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Please note: Car-Wow is entertainment. Every other media source favoring the car of choice, isn’t.
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This video shows the AMG consistently faster. So like others said, it is down to a variety of different factors that can affect the outcome.

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Are you saying that the above Hearst owned magazine tests that both show the M5 quicker to 60mph and the 1/4 mile are a rigged outcome and are false?
Ya. This is a silly comment. Is Motortrend a part of the conspiracy to make BMW quicker than AMG?
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It's a sad day when the focus of an M car is in a drag race. Next thing you will tell me is that muscle cars lay down faster lap times...
There are many people on this page who are OG BMW owners. And perhaps they remember the E60 or E39. I get it.

The thing is - these cars are huge now. Heavy. From what I have read - the BMW M5 is the sportier car to drive. I believe this for two main reasons; I've owned the last E63S - and it was a straight line missile - but it was not meant for track. IN fact I found my M550ix much more sporty in regards to driving dynamics. Mercedes are tanks - bullet proof and swath you in luxury. They are also quick and fast.

That said - the F90 M5 even being better than the new E63S - is never going to be a track (road course) car. None of the 5 series competitors are (Audi, MB, Cadillac, Panamera). I will go further and state the only car size and type from BMW at least that I have heard from actual owners - that is getting close to the days of yore is the M2. So comparing drag times - and some road course sprints - is what we are getting today.

Finally - another reason why I personally believe the majority of tests - is simple: BMW had the E63S to benchmark against. Just as my earlier E63S had the existing F10 M5's to benchmark against.

They were not coming out after the new E63S and letting the F90 be slower.
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This video shows the AMG consistently faster. So like others said, it is down to a variety of different factors that can affect the outcome.
It is with some irony that Carwow first tested the F90 M5 to be quicker and faster. Seperately. Now I am a big believer in same day, same conditions, same driver. SO seeing the results of the video above - it is hard to dispute. Had everything been the same between the two cars.

It was also found that for whatever reason the F90 in this test did not have the Michelin PS4's as it did in the first test. I do believe the new E63S is superior in the roll. But as per all of the other tests - including Carwows first - the F90 M5 will be first to 60 and the 1/4 mile 9/10 times.

The cars are close - no doubt - but the F90 M5 has the edge.
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I'm not joking. I pulled my deposit on the M5. The M5 interior design looks like a 3 series to me. Same shape and overall design concept. Nothing screams special about it. It's boring to my eye. You feel like you are in a spaceship in the e63s. The design is far superior. I actually felt like I was in 100k sport sedan when I was in the Mercedes.
It is impossible to argue the subjective of what someone likes. As was said by another poster - good luck with your choice - Mercedes makes great cars.

That said - I personally turned down the new E class interiors - which in pictures looked out of this world - when I actually got into one - specifically because it did look like the interior of a spaceship (I wrote here it was very Enterprise D). It just wasn't for me. I actually preferred my older E63S interior.

What is important is to try all the cars out and make your choice. I have found I am a BMW guy - simply because of how the cars drives more than anything else. The MB was nice - but the BMW just fit for my tastes.
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This video shows the AMG consistently faster. So like others said, it is down to a variety of different factors that can affect the outcome.
It is with some irony that Carwow first tested the F90 M5 to be quicker and faster. Seperately. Now I am a big believer in same day, same conditions, same driver. SO seeing the results of the video above - it is hard to dispute. Had everything been the same between the two cars.

It was also found that for whatever reason the F90 in this test did not have the Michelin PS4's as it did in the first test. I do believe the new E63S is superior in the roll. But as per all of the other tests - including Carwows first - the F90 M5 will be first to 60 and the 1/4 mile 9/10 times.

The cars are close - no doubt - but the F90 M5 has the edge.
I've seen pics of F90s with p zeros instead of the expected MPSS so they are out there. Not sure how much difference that would make but could be anything. Here is one I was referring to from the front page:

https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1478786
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