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      02-07-2020, 10:02 AM   #23
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The 2019 M5 Comp is in a much higher class.
Not at all... as amazing as it is; it is NOT a class above the new caddy's. If you knew how many parts the m5 shares with the plain old 3 series you'd be shocked.
He's probably referring to interior materials, quality, refinement, etc.

However when it comes to chassis tuning, I honestly believe Cadillac is ahead of BMW and the Germans.
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I wanted a CTS-V soooo bad, but their infotaiment system, with that nasty ass plastic touch panel shit was just a NO-GO for me. I really hope they get rid of that cheap-ass shit from the interior. I'll only take a second look then. Best of luck, Caddy.
New CT5 (replacement for CTS) has this interior. Gone is the awful CUE infotainment and plastic touch buttons. It now has both a touchscreen and dial to interact with as well as physical buttons. However, materials and quality are still very GM, nonetheless still better than the CTS.

Expect this for the CT5-Blackwing? - whatever they call it, but with more carbon fiber, and some Recaro's and a rumored 6-Speed Manual
That's awful.
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I wanted a CTS-V soooo bad, but their infotaiment system, with that nasty ass plastic touch panel shit was just a NO-GO for me. I really hope they get rid of that cheap-ass shit from the interior. I'll only take a second look then. Best of luck, Caddy.
New CT5 (replacement for CTS) has this interior. Gone is the awful CUE infotainment and plastic touch buttons. It now has both a touchscreen and dial to interact with as well as physical buttons. However, materials and quality are still very GM, nonetheless still better than the CTS.

Expect this for the CT5-Blackwing? - whatever they call it, but with more carbon fiber, and some Recaro's and a rumored 6-Speed Manual
That's awful.
Never said it was good, but its much better than Cadillac's last effort on the CTS.
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The 2019 M5 Comp is in a much higher class.
Not at all... as amazing as it is; it is NOT a class above the new caddy's. If you knew how many parts the m5 shares with the plain old 3 series you'd be shocked.
He's probably referring to interior materials, quality, refinement, etc.

However when it comes to chassis tuning, I honestly believe Cadillac is ahead of BMW and the Germans.
Possibly True, when I had an ATS, with the magnetic ride suspension, steering and suspension were amazing. Unfortunately the transmission sucked so bad, I got rid of the car within a year. GM was just coming out of bankruptcy, and had not yet developed a new transmissions, but today they have. I'm very excited for the new CT4V's to arrive soon. I will surely check them out.
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New CT5 (replacement for CTS) has this interior. Gone is the awful CUE infotainment and plastic touch buttons. It now has both a touchscreen and dial to interact with as well as physical buttons. However, materials and quality are still very GM, nonetheless still better than the CTS.

Expect this for the CT5-Blackwing? - whatever they call it, but with more carbon fiber, and some Recaro's and a rumored 6-Speed Manual
That interior does nothing better than the CTS. I see the same GM plastic buttons, and the panel fitment is poor from the photos alone. Look at the gap between the glovebox and the wood trim on the upper left, or the gap between the right edge of the glovebox and its adjacent panel.

GM can benchmark BMW all they want, but the CT5 will suffer the same fate on the market the CTS did.
It does do things better than the CTS though. Gotta remember, the CTS interior was so awful, that anything new is an improvement. It finally includes an infotainment system and physical buttons which actually work well and won't make you angry trying to use it like the CTS.

If you have tried the previous CUE system paired with the touch sensative controls, as found in the previous CTS and ATS, this is very well indeed a huge upgrade from the CTS. But like I said in my original post, materials and build quality will still be typical GM (otherwise known as below average) but the tech at least, is 100% an upgrade from the CTS. It is actually a bearable interior now

Would it be my first choice? Hell no! But I could easily live with it as long as the seats, chassis, and steering is as good as the last CTS-V and ATS-V and if they gave it a manual.

Never said it was amazing, but its definitely better than the CTS.
Pretty nice Caddy interior. Sure looks similar to last gen BMW.

SUVs are winning the sales day here in US. To your point they likely won't displace german or Asian car owners. Caddy should focus on SUVs. I had three new Escalades starting in 05 and ending with an 11, then realized the German build quality for SUVs was unreal and far exceeded out 90k Escalade with a straight rear axle, hard plastic trim, an antique power plant, and no technology except the awesome magnetic ride dampers. We switched to GL Merc and then added our BMWs. and haven't looked at a domestic SUV since.

Competition is good for all. I hope caddy figures it out or they will end up like Pontiac. They should pay attention to Lincoln. I am sure there will be a souped up Aviator soon. Shelby Aviator?! Aviator GT. Ha.

In the meantime, I will keep enjoying our F86 and G05.
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Had a new Cadillac SUV rental a week ago. All I could see was how crappy the infotainment screen was, like an old TN LCD with horrible viewing angles. Looking at the screen from any angle except straight on made any black background light gray. It was horrible.

Based on that I'm sure the rest of the materials in the car are cheapest of the cheap.
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Not at all... as amazing as it is; it is NOT a class above the new caddy's. If you knew how many parts the m5 shares with the plain old 3 series you'd be shocked.
I think class is a sense of how the package looks and the feelings that it emotes in the person driving it / looking at it / etc. It can share parts all day with a “lesser” car and that doesn’t bother me. For example: just because the mansion used some 2x6 lumber in its construction doesn’t mean it is any lesser because the gas-station down the road has some 2x6 lumber in it as well. Or I’ll turn your logic on its head - if you knew how many parts the M5 shares with the not so plain Rolls-Royce.... you have to swing the axe both ways if such comparisons are to be invoked would you not agree? :
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Not at all... as amazing as it is; it is NOT a class above the new caddy's. If you knew how many parts the m5 shares with the plain old 3 series you'd be shocked.
I think class is a sense of how the package looks and the feelings that it emotes in the person driving it / looking at it / etc. It can share parts all day with a “lesser” car and that doesn’t bother me. For example: just because the mansion used some 2x6 lumber in its construction doesn’t mean it is any lesser because the gas-station down the road has some 2x6 lumber in it as well. Or I’ll turn your logic on its head - if you knew how many parts the M5 shares with the not so plain Rolls-Royce.... you have to swing the axe both ways if such comparisons are to be invoked would you not agree? :
I agree to a point...the RR thing, well yeah a $35k 230i gets the same tech and iDrive as a $450k RR. One is hand built

What I don't agree with is the statement that the m5 is a class above Cadillac right now, especially the "V" or "blackwing" or whatever the hell they're calling them models these days
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What is lost in the dialogue is GM chose to use a M5 while road testing. Not a Benz, Alfa, Porsche, Jag or Audi. Nod to the champ. The OG super sleeper sedan.
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What is lost in the dialogue is GM chose to use a M5 while road testing. Not a Benz, Alfa, Porsche, Jag or Audi. Nod to the champ. The OG super sleeper sedan.
I'm surprised they are even bench-marking a car all together given that most reviewers already called the CTS-V the best handling vehicle in its class. The problem was always the interior but never really how it drove.
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What is lost in the dialogue is GM chose to use a M5 while road testing. Not a Benz, Alfa, Porsche, Jag or Audi. Nod to the champ. The OG super sleeper sedan.
I'm surprised they are even bench-marking a car all together given that most reviewers already called the CTS-V the best handling vehicle in its class. The problem was always the interior but never really how it drove.
Never knew that was the rep for the CTSV. Caddy needs to do a better job marketing their cars...as they fix up the interiors.

GM has the might to do whatever they put their mind to. Just like Ford. They seem to need a better strategy, marketing and some consistency. Reboot with the Corvette as the starting point.
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