[NCG80M3]

Hello Everyone,

I had to opportunity to try out the new MST intake for our cars. Very simple install and they sound pretty good. They have not been released yet, but as I get more info I will updated everyone.

[NCG80M3]

Here are some pics.

[DGM M5C]

I know I'm going to get hate, but hope they're open to critical feedback. Personally, that doesn't look like something that belongs on the M5 and I think it's the tubing that's throwing it off for me for this caliber of car. If it was carbon fiber like several of the other intakes, it would actually look really good.

Just my opinion and I know it's not worth much, but I'm not digging it.

[pbonsalb]

Looks like the CTS — big cone filters in the engine bay with the top and bottom halves of the stock airbox removed.

[Maverik259]

better be cheap. looks about as basic as can be. which is fine. just saying the price better reflect that.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Thank you for sharing, looks good

[euro*]

That's a downgrade vs original intakes… hope nobody is dumb enough to install these on their M5

[PDOT]

This looks like some honda civic shit.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by euro*

That's a downgrade vs original intakes… hope nobody is dumb enough to install these on their M5

That's not nice


1- Sound: Its an upgrade; it will improve the sound vs. the stock intake

2- Performance: Dyno graphs will be posted; I'm sure it's going to show an increase in HP due to the increase in airflow

3- Looks: It's subjective

Not saying you have to like it, but don't mark everyone that disagrees with you as dumb.

[euro*]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

That's not nice


1- Sound: Its an upgrade; it will improve the sound vs. the stock intake

2- Performance: Dyno graphs will be posted; I'm sure it's going to show an increase in HP due to the increase in airflow

3- Looks: It's subjective

Not saying you have to like it, but don't mark everyone that disagrees with you as dumb.

Meh, I could care less. And by the looks of this thread, I'm not the only one who shares the same opinion about this intake

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

That's not nice


1- Sound: Its an upgrade; it will improve the sound vs. the stock intake

2- Performance: Dyno graphs will be posted; I'm sure it's going to show an increase in HP due to the increase in airflow

3- Looks: It's subjective

Not saying you have to like it, but don't mark everyone that disagrees with you as dumb.

Obviously you sell this product.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

2- Performance: Dyno graphs will be posted; I'm sure it's going to show an increase in HP due to the increase in airflow

Bet it won't. Or at least, the area under the curve will be the same, or less.

Shawn

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

Obviously you sell this product.

Whether i sell the product or not does not change the argument's validity. I made 3 points, if they are wrong, let's discuss their validity.

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

Bet it won't. Or at least, the area under the curve will be the same, or less.

Shawn

I doubt it, but if that's the case, it would not be an upgrade performance-wise. It still would not be a downgrade unless it shows a power loss.

[UglyBuzzard]

[pbonsalb]

Would be great to see dyno testing. BMS says 10 rwhp but not until about 25 psi boost and you don’t get there without a stage 2 tune. The BMS filters are smaller but retain the bottom of the stock air boxes and that may be important.

I am using BMC drop in. I would consider one of the sealed intake kits and particularly like the Dinan but don’t want to spend $2000 on one, at least right now. I drive year round including rain and snow so I am more comfortable with a factory like design. However I also live in an area that is not stupid hot and I don’t do much heavy traffic city driving so a hot air intake in the engine bay might do just fine.

For now I will go off BMS’ testing — very minimal benefits and only at very high boost levels. Changing air filters from stock should not be a high priority mod if performance is the goal.

[warpeacelove]

Originally Posted by euro*

That's a downgrade vs original intakes… hope nobody is dumb enough to install these on their M5

Always have test dummies out there.

[euro*]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

Obviously you sell this product.

Obviously this product has a very good margin

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

For now I will go off BMS’ testing — very minimal benefits and only at very high boost levels. Changing air filters from stock should not be a high priority mod if performance is the goal.

I went through this a lot in the GT-R world.

"filter on a stick" only works if the OEM airbox is crap. BMW's is not. For all BMW's faults, this ain't one of them.

Shawn

[warpeacelove]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Whether i sell the product or not does not change the argument's validity. I made 3 points, if they are wrong, let's discuss their validity.




I doubt it, but if that's the case, it would not be an upgrade performance-wise. It still would not be a downgrade unless it shows a power loss.

The 2nd point is not valid because you need to present the audience WITH proof of a pre-dyno chart and post Dyno chart with the MST INTAKES via video on a Dyno (Impossible for that intake to perform better than the stock intake system). But I will say you’ll have better spooling sound.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Would be great to see dyno testing. BMS says 10 rwhp but not until about 25 psi boost and you don't get there without a stage 2 tune. The BMS filters are smaller but retain the bottom of the stock air boxes and that may be important.

I am using BMC drop in. I would consider one of the sealed intake kits and particularly like the Dinan but don't want to spend $2000 on one, at least right now. I drive year round including rain and snow so I am more comfortable with a factory like design. However I also live in an area that is not stupid hot and I don't do much heavy traffic city driving so a hot air intake in the engine bay might do just fine.

For now I will go off BMS' testing — very minimal benefits and only at very high boost levels. Changing air filters from stock should not be a high priority mod if performance is the goal.

In most cases, a good filter will get you the same gains as an open intake on the stock turbo.

But the open intake sounds better

Originally Posted by warpeacelove

The 2nd point is not valid because you need to present the audience WITH proof of a pre-dyno chart and post Dyno chart with the MST INTAKES via video on a Dyno (Impossible for that intake to perform better than the stock intake system). But I will say you'll have better spooling sound.

I don't even have the intake,; im not the manufacturer. OP said in his first post, the intake is not even released yet.


Reread my post. I said the Dyno would show gains.
Im not asking you to take my word; let's wait for the dyno, and we'll have a definite answer


With that being said, your list of demands is odd.

I offer 35 000 products, im not allowed to give my opinion unless I have a before and after of each part. And I need video proof of the dyno sessions

The other user can claim its a downgrade without data or simple logic, but you are okay with that.

Very odd



Going back to my response. The user said it's a downgrade, and i responded with my opinion on why it's not.
Without dyno, we can agree that it's not proven to be an upgrade yet. The sound is upgraded. Looks are subjective.

I still don't see where the downgrade is.

[warpeacelove]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

In most cases, a good filter will get you the same gains as an open intake on the stock turbo.

But the open intake sounds better



I don't even have the intake,; im not the manufacturer. OP said in his first post, the intake is not even released yet.


Reread my post. I said the Dyno would show gains.
Im not asking you to take my word; let's wait for the dyno, and we'll have a definite answer


With that being said, your list of demands is odd.

I offer 35 000 products, im not allowed to give my opinion unless I have a before and after of each part. And I need video proof of the dyno sessions

The other user can claim its a downgrade without data or simple logic, but you are okay with that.

Very odd



Going back to my response. The user said it's a downgrade, and i responded with my opinion on why it's not.
Without dyno, we can agree that it's not proven to be an upgrade yet. The sound is upgraded. Looks are subjective.

I still don't see where the downgrade is.

Their is nothing odd about my statement. Their is a scientific post disclosing data that shows the lost of power using non stock-intakes on this platform. You are a veteran on this forum so do you research before commenting as you can find the Data to debunks your opinion or what a user may say without proof of data.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by warpeacelove

Their is nothing odd about my statement. Their is a scientific post disclosing data that shows the lost of power using non-intakes on this platform. You are a veteran on this forum so do you research before commenting as you can find the Data to debunks your opinion or what a user may say without proof of data.

The data shows otherwise my friend.

Intakes are proven to show gains on the S55, B58, S58, N55, and N54.
I don't see a reason why it would not increase HP on this engine.

Im not saying there is no chance the intakes do not make a difference on this engine, but judging from other BMW engines, I'd be surprised.

And again, i said let's wait for the Dyno.

BTW there are a lot of threads for different engines claiming intakes will not add power and explaining why. But dynos showed otherwise.
I'll take a dyno over an explanation thread any day, but that's just me.