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Facts matter? Lmao. Well it's not like I'm posting false information. I posted 2016 data, it does look like 2017 wasn't a good year for Cadi but still above industry average. BMW is sandwiched between Hyundai and Chevrolet now. If you look at the last 10-15yrs objectively, Cadi and GM in general with Buick and Chevy, it has been a pretty good. Let's not be total blind fanboys.
To be most accurate you should look at 2006 Cadi ranking because that would be between E46 M3 and Z4MC like DMboone was saying.
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There is so many car I want to own and drive before I die. Little secret, there are other brands besides BMW in that list....
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Back on topic, although you may not wish to own a Cadillac and/or any other GM product, but if you honor driving dynamics - and if you take the time to drive say an CTS-V/ATS-V or even a CTS Vsport, you will at least have some respect for the drivability. Just my two cents
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Cadillac did = geriatric in my youth - reading comprehension is commonly lost in folks, but perhaps you missed it on purpose. That doesn't mean I am not a car enthusiast...rather, that I have found a few brands that I trust with my money, and see no need to try the local offerings, just to boost morale.
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I think the CTS was a 2004 model IIRC...and it was literally in the ship for more than 10 different issues in less than 3 years. It also was not remotely close to the driving dynamics my pops was used to...hence why he left and never went back. The new ones might be better, but I am not going to be part of their ongoing QC project.
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I can agree with Porsche, have owned 8 of them, from turbo S, to gt3’s, even reg Carrera S, no issues with any of them. At one point I was using a 997 turbo S as a daily, put 35k miles on it in one year and ended up selling it at 85k, no issues. Even Ferrari reliability isn’t so bad from experience especially the 430, and 458. |
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As expected. But, I have to hand it to Cadillac as they have stepped up their game. While I am used to BMW/Audi styling, at least Cadillac has gone their own way. Put a system similar to M x-drive or the Merc system into the the CTS-V, fix the interior, AND offer a MT, and I'd be a customer. The MT angle could be a game changer for Cadillac as they offer it anyway in the Corvette, productions costs will be lower in the US, and it will capture a niche.
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Had a 2nd Gen Vagon, nice drivetrain and chassis(even for the pig it is), interior is shit from a interaction and quality perspective. Not to mention misaligned body panels, bumper and sunroof. What a disaster. If my name was going on something, a bit more attention to detail would win some hearts and minds in my opinion. |
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And are you saying that the CTS-V costs around 40k, or that the transmission in question is not good enough to be in 40k car or the CTS-V which costs more (a lot more) than 40k? |
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Let's face it and do a quote from "Planet of the Apes." The Cadillac is "So damed ugly."
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Man too many fans are butt hurt on both sides.
First of all if you say German Cars are reliable then I dare you to own one after 50K miles and after warranty. I have both cars, I had an 16 M5 for 6 months before I got a 18 CTS-V both cars are awesome and I am not gonna defend the M5 since this is a BMW forum and the M5 can speak for itself. On the other hand the V is a beast and it is the absolute middle finger to anyone who says you need AWD to handle 650HP, I would say go and take some classes on how to drive out side your comfort zone then come back. The engine, suspension and the chassis are an A+ hands down. The Transmission is Awful in manual mode but if you leave it in auto with the PTM mode it will be fine and it can handle the ridiculous fast RPM change fine. I can do 3.6s-3.9s 0-60 on regular basis with no issues. CUE is as everyone said as bad as BMW i-drive Gen1 but as of 2017 they had hardware update and it is ok now (very fast and responsive), the capacitive buttons are still there but really you bought an 100K car to feel the volume buttons !!! if you do not like them then go and use the ones on the steering wheel they are physical. to me GM tried this experiment and failed like BMW with the stupid gesture control. And finally at least in the US the V had more respect than the M, in 2 months of owning the V I had more thumbs up on the road and during Cars and Coffee than the M, the only down side I got pulled over twice (one by state trooper and one by local PD) just to check the car. Just go and enjoy the car you like and do not feel offended by other manufacturers. at least to me the V at 20K bellow MSRP that is already 10K less than equivalent germans is the best in the RWD super sedan cars segment. and it still can compete and holds its ground compared to the new AWD sedans thats unless all you care about is drag race and 0-60 times.
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Oh ya, I've been itching for another quality GM product to take up space in my garage. I can't wait until that next lump of depreciation from Government Motors (GM) to brighten my driving experience. My son just experienced GM at its finest when they refused a $2000 warranty claim because he introduced water into the headlight assembly while he negligently drove through this new phenomenon identified as "rain".
No wonder they had to lay off thousands recently, maybe they just need another bail out from the federal reserve bank?? I mean that's how you dominate the market isn't it? Ya what an M5 competitor, can't wait for mine!! |
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