[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by JakerStyle

I honestly never understood why people buy this expensive of a car and then buy knockoff tail lights. It’s amusing. But hey, I guess I’m just an elitist.

I personally wouldn't consider them. They weren't available when I did mine, but even if they were, I would have still gone OEM

But, I know a lot of the guys who went with the knockoffs and I can assure you, for the majority of them, it wasn't about the money or cheaping out. They simply don't want to deal with running wires, moving pins around and having to code and have it wiped out by the dealer. It has nothing to do with having an expensive car and cheaping out.

[ResidualJinx]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

I personally wouldn't consider them. They weren't available when I did mine, but even if they were, I would have still gone OEM

But, I know a lot of the guys who went with the knockoffs and I can assure you, for the majority of them, it wasn't about the money or cheaping out. They simply don't want to deal with running wires, moving pins around and having to code and have it wiped out by the dealer. It has nothing to do with having an expensive car and cheaping out.

Exactly this, it was that the solution was plug and play. If there was a way to do this with OEM then I would've done this for sure. Does sound a tad bit elitist tho lmao. I already had the $100k car, I'm sure I'm good to buy the more expensive taillights but even if I didn't want to, I'm still less than???

[Jakerx]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

But, I know a lot of the guys who went with the knockoffs and I can assure you, for the majority of them, it wasn't about the money or cheaping out. They simply don't want to deal with running wires, moving pins around and having to code and have it wiped out by the dealer. It has nothing to do with having an expensive car and cheaping out.

That’s fair and I acknowledge that. However, they can still pay someone to do it properly if they lack the time or the skill. If the knockoff product was actually high quality, that’d be different. A lot of aftermarket parts are of higher quality than OEM (not the case with these knockoff tail lights).

Reminds me of people installing spinner hubcaps instead of a whole new wheel and tire package with the actual spinner wheels.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by JakerStyle

That’s fair and I acknowledge that. However, they can still pay someone to do it properly if they lack the time or the skill. If the knockoff product was actually high quality, that’d be different. A lot of aftermarket parts are of higher quality than OEM (not the case with these knockoff tail lights).

Reminds me of people installing spinner hubcaps instead of a whole new wheel and tire package with the actual spinner wheels.

Yeah, we are beating the same drum for sure. I'm involved in the Ebay Taillight thread on the G30 group and I have tried to persuade people to stick with OEM's. It's walking a fine line, especially after the first 4-5 people put them in and are jumping up and down at the results. I don't want to rain on their parade and sound like a dick. Truth be told, they look pretty good and they are plug and play, so I really have no basis to criticize. They get them, take apart the trunk, put them in and instant gratification. The only negative I hear consistently is the rails and gutters are cheap and don't fit right. Big surprise there, so people tend to order the OEM rubber trim pieces.

That said, been there and done that on BMW aftermarket Chinese lighting and products many years ago. It ain't worth it.

[Doctorcreampie]

Hi,

has some one from
You a download link to esys and ista p?
And what I need to code erverything ?

I own a e net cable.

[Krisf90]

They look sharp and it seems to be a cool upgrade but the issues would bother me personally.

I also like the 2019 style tails better because they remind me or may be a "tribute" to the e39 taillights how they have the lines across.

I like both, but I'm happy with my tails and how they are on my pre-facelift. I wouldn't change it - the only thing I have thought of is updating the reverse lights to LED. Everything else on the car is LED why not the interior and the reverse lights? Those things bother me as they are minor but minor details matter (to me).

That's why I do like this update, but if they won't function 100% and you need coding, and yes, I read all 29 pages. Some have issues, some do not. I read about doing this causing an issue with cruise control distance being affected? I wouldn't touch these personally.

To those who have, I think ya'll are brave and did a great job!!! Kudos!!! I love my M5!!!

Update: Wow, some here are too sensistive. I have not modified my statement above, and I clearly said they look sharp and it seems to be a cool upgrade. I only mentioned the issues that others brought up. I spent a good amount of money on the M5 F90. I want the vehicle to behave as designed by the factory.

I am by no way trying to ruin anyone's day or being negative for those who did this... at the end I said those who have done it are brave and great job.

I am content with my tails, they don't bother me. I am really 50/50 I like both... if this was a plug play but OEM solution and involved no coding I'd probably do this too!!! I can code or I know I could figure it out. I just don't feel the cost is worth it at the end of the day. So, that means if you want to do it fine. Happy for you!

For me, all I'm saying is I'd rather take this down to Miami and allow DINAN to fine tune it even more with the money I want to put towards the car. That is... all. Some of you have ego's of glass. Good luck and to everyone again that did this, great job. I'll check back and if there are less issues and it does become more plug and play I am happy to do this cosmetic update. For now I am going to spend some money on the tuning. That is it. No offense to anyone that took offense - sorry if you took what I said as being negative or something?

[euro*]

Originally Posted by Krisf90

They look sharp and it seems to be a cool upgrade but the issues would bother me personally.

I also like the 2019 style tails better because they remind me or may be a "tribute" to the e39 taillights how they have the lines across.

I like both, but I'm happy with my tails and how they are on my pre-facelift. I wouldn't change it - the only thing I have thought of is updating the reverse lights to LED. Everything else on the car is LED why not the interior and the reverse lights? Those things bother me as they are minor but minor details matter (to me).

That's why I do like this update, but if they won't function 100% and you need coding, and yes, I read all 29 pages. Some have issues, some do not. I read about doing this causing an issue with cruise control distance being affected? I wouldn't touch these personally.

To those who have, I think ya'll are brave and did a great job!!! Kudos!!! I love my M5!!!

Nobody here asked for your opinion about liking F90 LCI design tailights or not. This is a tutorial thread for people who do like them, and want to retrofit them but need a guide on how to do it.

About 10% of people who have issues didn't re-pin the lights properly, and the other 90% of the people didn't get the lights coded properly. Some chose to go to people who have never coded LCI lights, and some try to save money and try coding themselves and etc. If you do everything correctly and go to the recommended person for coding from this thread, you will not have issues.

The only issue with the LCI retrofit is Welcome Lights, everything else has no issues, again if the lights are installed and CODED correctly.

Cruise control issue I have never hear about from any of the people who we helped in this thread…

Take care, and enjoy your pre-lci lights

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by Krisf90

They look sharp and it seems to be a cool upgrade but the issues would bother me personally.

I also like the 2019 style tails better because they remind me or may be a "tribute" to the e39 taillights how they have the lines across.

I like both, but I'm happy with my tails and how they are on my pre-facelift. I wouldn't change it - the only thing I have thought of is updating the reverse lights to LED. Everything else on the car is LED why not the interior and the reverse lights? Those things bother me as they are minor but minor details matter (to me).

That's why I do like this update, but if they won't function 100% and you need coding, and yes, I read all 29 pages. Some have issues, some do not. I read about doing this causing an issue with cruise control distance being affected? I wouldn't touch these personally.

To those who have, I think ya'll are brave and did a great job!!! Kudos!!! I love my M5!!!

+1 on euro

So you read all 29 pages to come and tell us you like the pre LCI better? I give you credit for reading 29 pages for an upgrade you don't like and have no intention of doing.

I have had ZERO issues. Installed and working fine since day one. As Euro said, get a coder that knows what he is doing and it's a 15 minutes coding job. I went with the Euros to avoid the welcome light issues. I backed up my BDC coding with ProTool and have restored it once with no problem.

Easily the most impactful mod I've done. PreLCI lights just look so dated and HUGE. Just a lot of red in your face. I have an E39 as well and I don't know what your taking about with your comparison to the pre LCI lights.

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by Krisf90

They look sharp and it seems to be a cool upgrade but the issues would bother me personally.

I also like the 2019 style tails better because they remind me or may be a "tribute" to the e39 taillights how they have the lines across.

I like both, but I'm happy with my tails and how they are on my pre-facelift. I wouldn't change it - the only thing I have thought of is updating the reverse lights to LED. Everything else on the car is LED why not the interior and the reverse lights? Those things bother me as they are minor but minor details matter (to me).

That's why I do like this update, but if they won't function 100% and you need coding, and yes, I read all 29 pages. Some have issues, some do not. I read about doing this causing an issue with cruise control distance being affected? I wouldn't touch these personally.

To those who have, I think ya'll are brave and did a great job!!! Kudos!!! I love my M5!!!

never heard of "cruise control" issues. And don't see how they look like the E39 lights at all.

Plus my interior lights are 100% LED

[Doctorcreampie]

I get the information for Eu spec users that the newest I-Step version 07/22 makes no problems anymore and how to code the tail lights with the coming home leaving home function.

Is still the coming home leaving home function in the US spec taillights a issue ?

[euro*]

Originally Posted by Doctorcreampie

I get the information for Eu spec users that the newest I-Step version 07/22 makes no problems anymore and how to code the tail lights with the coming home leaving home function.

Is still the coming home leaving home function in the US spec taillights a issue ?

It was never an issue for EU lights, even on when EU lights were installed on USA cars, no issues.

[Krisf90]

Originally Posted by euro*

Nobody here asked for your opinion about liking F90 LCI design tailights or not. This is a tutorial thread for people who do like them, and want to retrofit them but need a guide on how to do it.

About 10% of people who have issues didn't re-pin the lights properly, and the other 90% of the people didn't get the lights coded properly. Some chose to go to people who have never coded LCI lights, and some try to save money and try coding themselves and etc. If you do everything correctly and go to the recommended person for coding from this thread, you will not have issues.

The only issue with the LCI retrofit is Welcome Lights, everything else has no issues, again if the lights are installed and CODED correctly.

Cruise control issue I have never hear about from any of the people who we helped in this thread…

Take care, and enjoy your pre-lci lights

First, I know what type of thread this is. You don't need to be rude. I was not in my post. Go re-read it if you'd like. I cannot explain everything though.

I'm sure there was confusion with the re-pin process and the coding processs. Probably for most coding was the biggest issue or concern. Personally, I can code and have a close friend who is a master mechanic and know a GM of a BMW dealership. I'm good.

The part for me that is a waste is how time consuming this process is and I would rather pay someone to is disassemble and reassemble and I'll do the coding.


If you thought I was raining on your parade, that was your misunderstanding. I don't know why you're so upset? Re-read the thread and you'll see the post about cruise control.

Have a good day and I do plan on enjoying my M5!

[Krisf90]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

never heard of "cruise control" issues. And don't see how they look like the E39 lights at all.

Plus my interior lights are 100% LED

The e39 has 3 LED strips that run across and the pre-facelift has 2 LED strips that run across until you use a turn signal and then it is 3 strips. Maybe that went over your head. Your mistake for not understanding mate.

[m5 guy]

Finally did the euro lci retrofit this week. Vik was awesome. Could not have been a better coding experience. Thank you everyone for the help!

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by m5 guy

Finally did the euro lci retrofit this week. Vik was awesome. Could not have been a better coding experience. Thank you everyone for the help!

They look awesome! Well done.

[euro*]

Originally Posted by Krisf90

First, I know what type of thread this is. You don't need to be rude. I was not in my post. Go re-read it if you'd like. I cannot explain everything though.

I'm sure there was confusion with the re-pin process and the coding processs. Probably for most coding was the biggest issue or concern. Personally, I can code and have a close friend who is a master mechanic and know a GM of a BMW dealership. I'm good.

The part for me that is a waste is how time consuming this process is and I would rather pay someone to is disassemble and reassemble and I'll do the coding.


If you thought I was raining on your parade, that was your misunderstanding. I don't know why you're so upset? Re-read the thread and you'll see the post about cruise control.

Have a good day and I do plan on enjoying my M5!

What parade? If you came to this thread to get help with LCI lights, sure we will help you. This is the point of this DIY thread. Again, this is a DIY tutorial thread.

All the other paragraphs of word diarrhea about your opinions on the design of the lights and etc is not applicable here.

Enjoy your M5!

And I also wish enjoyment to all the people who would like to do this mod on their car. I promise, others won't judge you

[Soad]

Originally Posted by CarFreak

Spot on instructions as I completed the retrofit with wiring help from Euro and achieved the same results with coder. Excellent work with the write up.

So the coder has some ideas and would like to confirm the wiring on North American cars at the BDC. Could someone open theirs up and confirm the following?

Open connector 5B and check for wire colors at pin 41 and 33? and also at connector 3B for wire colors at pin 50 and 38?

Do you still need this info from AMERICA Fuck YEAh?

if so let me know for I have actually taken this part out of my car to try to figure out what the HELL is going on with my G30 Tail lights. I think I need a new one of this BCM but as my luck would have it, its a discontinued Part from BMW

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by Krisf90

The e39 has 3 LED strips that run across and the pre-facelift has 2 LED strips that run across until you use a turn signal and then it is 3 strips. Maybe that went over your head. Your mistake for not understanding mate.

its not a mistake...its just my opinion that it doesn't look anything like the E39 tail lights...just like its yours that it does...or did that go over your head?

what a chode.

[Krisf90]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

its not a mistake...its just my opinion that it doesn't look anything like the E39 tail lights...just like its yours that it does...or did that go over your head?

what a chode.

Yes, I agree you're a chode.... good lord, some people here are just out of control. Take your power tripping elsewhere if you can't be civil

[beyondm3]

Was the full diy coding ever documented anywhere?

[I3LaZeN]

Great write up OP. Shocked that there still isnt a solution for the welcome lights to work with the NA LCI tails and maintain the full tail as signal function.

[Mike Suomis]

Hello, I'm new here, I have Euro car and Euro lights. I'm about to install lci taillights, I'm doing everything according to the BMW schematic, I'm running the wires to BDC, repining, this part is clear. What is not clear is whether I will be able to code everything with the full version of Bimmercode? My BMW software is up to date.
So if I miss :
2) Add HELC to HO-WORT 3) Code BDC module
and Just doing this in bimmercode:

BL_L_CCM: ccm_346 [01 5A]
BL_L_IS_LED: nicht_aktiv, default [00]
BL_L_MIN_PWM: 5% [05]
BL_L_WARMUEBERWACHUNG: nicht_aktiv [00]
BL_R_CCM: ccm_345 [01 59]
BL_R_IS_LED: nicht_aktiv, default [00]
BL_R_MIN_PWM: 5% [05]
BL_R_WARMUEBERWACHUNG: nicht_aktiv [00]
Can someone confirm who did this?
Sorry, but I've never coded, but it doesn't seem like a very complicated process. Just need to understand everything��