G99 M5 Touring Hybrid Testing Stateside!

DarkstarZero · 12-20-2023, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTownM

As a very long term owner of an i8 I am looking forward to this setup in a car, the XM is not intriguing to me. IF the pricing will be as high as the XM (Labels), I will need to reconsider though, there are just too many FUN options in that price range (not necessarily Tourings)….

The Audi RS6 Avant is the direct wagon/touring competitor, also available in the US. Starts at $125,800. Is $135k with usual options. That's where the M5 Touring should land.

Ibiza · 12-20-2023, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Click_ID

Idea of MSRP yet?

Figure north of $140,000. Just look at the recent BMW NA price hikes across the model range. No discounts as a big ADM/ADP for the 1st movers/ aka takers. This model will make up and fill the coffers from the XM failure.

GOLFFRR · 12-20-2023, 11:15 AM

nice, ill have to be on the lookout for it at the various spots I always see them at.

cfm56d7b · 12-20-2023, 11:17 AM

If any car is bound to exceed sales expectations, it’s this one.

Namelss · 12-20-2023, 11:20 AM

Hopefully they'll give me what I paid for my M5 new when I trade it so I can afford a Touring. /s

AHall · 12-20-2023, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cfm56d7b

If any car is bound to exceed sales expectations, it’s this one.

We will see what the sales numbers indicate. Lots of talk from people saying they want a wagon, but poor sales is likely the reason it has had limited availability throughout the years.

bunker · 12-20-2023, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AHall

Yes it is pretty widely known the car will be a hybrid. We do not know the MSRP at this point, but how much were you expecting to pay? It may come in lower than the $130k or there may be discounts available.

spot on. if you cross shop the RS6 Touring or the RS7, you're looking at roughly the same number.

bunker · 12-20-2023, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AHall

We will see what the sales numbers indicate. Lots of talk from people saying they want a wagon, but poor sales is likely the reason it has had limited availability throughout the years.

plus, at the price point, we won't see many on the road - similar to the RS6 Touring

sort of unfair to gauge the US market's appetite for a wagon based on this model

IcEWoLF · 12-20-2023, 12:11 PM

Looks cool, but out of my budget. I’d love to have an M3 touring.

Car-Addicted · 12-20-2023, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bunker

sort of unfair to gauge the US market's appetite for a wagon based on this model

Truth! If there is no M3 Tourings for those of us that don't want to spend $150,000 on a daily driver, the USA touring sales will be poor and BMW will once again determine we are a SUV and not Touring country.

tsbrown · 12-20-2023, 12:35 PM

My dealer sales manager told me he was part of a dealer roundtable discussion with NA regarding the 5 touring. Their recommendation was to start with the M5 Touring and if it sold well then roll out the non-M touring version. I bet the 540i Touring would sell well when MB E class wagon is selling probably 8-10k units per year based on 1/month at a local mid sized dealer.

Quadruple VANOS · 12-20-2023, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cfm56d7b

If any car is bound to exceed sales expectations, it’s this one.

Ask Porsche how their station wagons are doing in the US.

Worldwide they only sold like 3400 units last year! Thats seriously pitiful sales performance. Wagons are niche vehicles and not widely considered.

Needsdecaf · 12-20-2023, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

6,050 lbs, compared to the 2020 X7 M50i which was 5650 lbs.

400lbs added for the batteries and electric motors?

Then that would mean:
2020 M5: 4,370 lbs
2025 M5: 4,770 lbs
2025 M5 Wagon: 5,000 lbs

You can't extrapolate like that. They aren't the same platform.

AKChocoPops · 12-20-2023, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

The Audi RS6 Avant is the direct wagon/touring competitor, also available in the US. Starts at $125,800. Is $135k with usual options. That's where the M5 Touring should land.

RS6 for 125k Brand new!! Where?? Try 150k before dealer greed.

BimmerMat135 · 12-20-2023, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Ask Porsche how their station wagons are doing in the US.

Worldwide they only sold like 3400 units last year! Thats seriously pitiful sales performance. Wagons are niche vehicles and not widely considered.

Maybe not the best way to judge wagons sales. Maybe if they start with something a bit more affordable to see. This strategy make me laugh we will come to the market with incredibly expensive wagons and if their is demand we will bring cheaper one? It should be the opposite

duky · 12-20-2023, 02:55 PM

woooo - in my backyard?! can't wait to see this thing in the flesh

rlesko · 12-20-2023, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Maybe not the best way to judge wagons sales. Maybe if they start with something a bit more affordable to see. This strategy make me laugh we will come to the market with incredibly expensive wagons and if their is demand we will bring cheaper one? It should be the opposite

+1

The last wagon that BMW offered stateside - the F31 wasn't even available with N55/B58 engines. I will totally agree wagons are bit niche, but offering either the lowest of the low (4 cyl 3er) or M5 wagon...surely there is a middle ground?

Kevin_The_Clean1 · 12-20-2023, 04:11 PM

Many have said that the S58 powered X3 M competition was & always will be the M3 of the SUV world. Or in other words, the closet thing to a M3 touring. All I know is it's about damn time an M5 touring comes to the USA for sale.

Jim-Bow · 12-20-2023, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

Many have said that the S58 powered X3 M competition was & always will be the M3 of the SUV world. Or in other words, the closet thing to a M3 touring. All I know is it's about damn time an M5 touring comes to the USA for sale.

Surely the M3 touring is the closest thing to an M3 touring?

Hit_Apex · 12-20-2023, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim-Bow

Surely the M3 touring is the closest thing to an M3 touring?

In most of the world this is true.

BimmerMat135 · 12-20-2023, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rlesko

+1

The last wagon that BMW offered stateside - the F31 wasn't even available with N55/B58 engines. I will totally agree wagons are bit niche, but offering either the lowest of the low (4 cyl 3er) or M5 wagon...surely there is a middle ground?

I actually own a F31 328d for 8 years and I think the lack of power was probably the worst thing about it. A proper 6 cylinder either gas or diesel would have fix it.

I traded it for a Mercedes E450 All terrain if there would have been a 5 touring the choice could have been completely different.

Mamba · 12-20-2023, 05:52 PM

Btw, saw this mock up of the new M5 Sedan by RBR in his recent upload. I think it looks stunning if it’s gonna look anything like this.

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