[justinbleach]

I understand these cars are highly reliable but I am curious given their sporty nature and V8 engines if the prices I'm seeing in my area for this car are accurate. I see these great deals and the Carfax looks clean but then I think about "too good to be true" and just need some opinion from here about what I should really expect for these cars when looking to buy. For example:

I see:
2021 M5 base with 30,563 miles for $73,500
2014 M5 base with 43,925 miles for $37,895
2013 M5 base with 22,380 miles for $39,995

The 2021 seems more like the price I would expect but this would be my first BMW "sport sedan" having only owned a 2016 X3 (which came with ALL the bells and whistles used) so I have no basis for comparison....

[pbonsalb]

The model changed in 2018 and the former model went out of production a few years before that. I think the 2018+ is improved enough to be worth the extra cost — AWD and some minor engine changes that may help. But if you want RWD and a manual transmission, then the older model is for you.

[justinbleach]

That is excellent information to know especially when I plan on doing whatever maintenance I can myself. Thank you!

[SP330]

What interests you about the M5? Because going from driving any suv to a car it’s going to feel a lot more sporty simply from the much lower center of gravity. So you may not need to go all the way to a full fat M.

You should test drive an M5 first to see if it fits your needs. 2013-2016 is the F10 generation, and the 2018+ is the F90.

The maintenance cost is quite a bit more than a regular BMW. Wish you the best in your search

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by justinbleach

I understand these cars are highly reliable but I am curious given their sporty nature and V8 engines if the prices I'm seeing in my area for this car are accurate. I see these great deals and the Carfax looks clean but then I think about "too good to be true" and just need some opinion from here about what I should really expect for these cars when looking to buy. For example:

I see:
2021 M5 base with 30,563 miles for $73,500
2014 M5 base with 43,925 miles for $37,895
2013 M5 base with 22,380 miles for $39,995

The 2021 seems more like the price I would expect but this would be my first BMW "sport sedan" having only owned a 2016 X3 (which came with ALL the bells and whistles used) so I have no basis for comparison....

That's the problem with values, as the F90 is relatively reliable in terms of an 'M' car, they arent usually considered reliable by any means.

For any of these would need a lot more details to know if it's too good to be true, spot on, or way too high. Things like options, competition ? Base? aftermarket modifications? overall condition? accidents? color? an M5 some of these things make a massive difference, like a comp with carbon brakes, carbon roof, BW audio could easily be 15-20,000.00 more than a base with steel brakes and a sunroof HK audio.

The F10 M5 has some issues, reliability wasn't the same as the F90 is. It was made from 2012-2016. So keep in mind there is a good possibility the 2021 is still under warranty, and even with low miles, a 10-12 year old car is scary to some, especially an M car. The F10s new were in the 90-100k range up to 110-120k all optioned out. The F90 100-110k range up to 120-140k range. So the depreciation is right where it should be sorta.

But this post requires way more information to give any sort of intelligent rebuttal to what youre saying.

[justinbleach]

Originally Posted by SP330

What interests you about the M5? Because going from driving any suv to a car it’s going to feel a lot more sporty simply from the much lower center of gravity. So you may not need to go all the way to a full fat M.

You should test drive an M5 first to see if it fits your needs. 2013-2016 is the F10 generation, and the 2018+ is the F90.

The maintenance cost is quite a bit more than a regular BMW. Wish you the best in your search

My wife owns the X3 but I've driven it a bit. My current is actually a 08 Dodge Magnum R/T which is starting to show its age. I want to switch to BMW and the M5 was recommended as "comparable".

Good to know about the maintenance cost. I'm getting to the age where I want to worry less about that. The Dodge required spark plug replacement every 30K (besides the usual maintenance), and replacing 16 plugs that often wasn't too bad but it was tedious and I'm not looking for that level anymore.

[justinbleach]

Originally Posted by jnotrom711

That's the problem with values, as the F90 is relatively reliable in terms of an 'M' car, they arent usually considered reliable by any means.

For any of these would need a lot more details to know if it's too good to be true, spot on, or way too high. Things like options, competition ? Base? aftermarket modifications? overall condition? accidents? color? an M5 some of these things make a massive difference, like a comp with carbon brakes, carbon roof, BW audio could easily be 15-20,000.00 more than a base with steel brakes and a sunroof HK audio.

The F10 M5 has some issues, reliability wasn't the same as the F90 is. It was made from 2012-2016. So keep in mind there is a good possibility the 2021 is still under warranty, and even with low miles, a 10-12 year old car is scary to some, especially an M car. The F10s new were in the 90-100k range up to 110-120k all optioned out. The F90 100-110k range up to 120-140k range. So the depreciation is right where it should be sorta.

But this post requires way more information to give any sort of intelligent rebuttal to what youre saying.

Agreed and I purposely omitted those details beyond mentioning they were base packages just because I wanted to get a general opinion. Thank you for yours!

All of this feedback is really helping me in my decision process!

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by justinbleach

My wife owns the X3 but I've driven it a bit. My current is actually a 08 Dodge Magnum R/T which is starting to show its age. I want to switch to BMW and the M5 was recommended as "comparable".

Good to know about the maintenance cost. I'm getting to the age where I want to worry less about that. The Dodge required spark plug replacement every 30K (besides the usual maintenance), and replacing 16 plugs that often wasn't too bad but it was tedious and I'm not looking for that level anymore.

Replacing plugs on the M5 is more tedious than on the 08 Dodge Magnum R/T. Way more tedious. But to say the Dodge is comparable is ridiculous. The BMW outperforms it by a huge margin in every aspect. You could look at a simpler BMW like the 540i that does not have quite as much stuffed in the engine bay and that probably performs about the same as the old Dodge. Or look at newer Dodges — they retain the old pushrod V8 that is not as complex as the 4 valve head imports. I’d also look at Lexus and Acura since they tend to be more reliable. Caddy CTS are also worth a look — not simple pushrod motors but great cars. Extended warranty and extended servicing plans seem like they might be worthwhile for the OP as well.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by justinbleach

Good to know about the maintenance cost. I'm getting to the age where I want to worry less about that.

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[justinbleach]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Replacing plugs on the M5 is more tedious than on the 08 Dodge Magnum R/T. Way more tedious. But to say the Dodge is comparable is ridiculous. The BMW outperforms it by a huge margin in every aspect. You could look at a simpler BMW like the 540i that does not have quite as much stuffed in the engine bay and that probably performs about the same as the old Dodge. Or look at newer Dodges — they retain the old pushrod V8 that is not as complex as the 4 valve head imports. I’d also look at Lexus and Acura since they tend to be more reliable. Caddy CTS are also worth a look — not simple pushrod motors but great cars. Extended warranty and extended servicing plans seem like they might be worthwhile for the OP as well.

Thanks for the suggestion of the 540i. I'm checking them out now and seems more my pace

[justinbleach]

Originally Posted by 2011ninja

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So far my wife's 2016 X3 hasn't been too bad. I'm used to some "on top of engine" work like spark plugs, oil change (of course), intake manifold, and whatever surrounding... and so far brakes (replacing and bleeding) and oil changes have been the extent of the work on it, and we bought it used a about 4 years ago.

But I've noticed getting my hands on technical information similar to a Haynes manual has been hard to come by and from what I understand BMW has done that on purpose. Which is why my only real hesitation is how easy it is to maintain. Get around the engine bay, change a belt or alternator etc.

From what people are saying here is sounds like the M5 might be a hassle.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by justinbleach

Thanks for the suggestion of the 540i. I'm checking them out now and seems more my pace

540i with flash tune or JB4 piggyback or Racechip piggyback is pretty entertaining. I had just a JB4 on my 2008 535xi for about 10 years and liked it.

[DarkM5]

Originally Posted by 2011ninja

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they just charged me $300 to change out the seal on my front master cylinder and bleed the brakes on my Suzuki GSXS 1000. labor rates are insane.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by DarkM5

they just charged me $300 to change out the seal on my front master cylinder and bleed the brakes on my Suzuki GSXS 1000. labor rates are insane.

I know the feeling…

I have a $400 “valve check” service coming up for my 2022 R 1250 GS 40th Anniversary.

Between additional maintenance and new tires it’s going to be around $1,400.00 that’s with me changing the oil and spark plugs.

😭

[DarkM5]

Originally Posted by 2011ninja

I know the feeling…

I have a $400 “valve check” service coming up for my 2022 R 1250 GS 40th Anniversary.

Between additional maintenance and new tires it’s going to be around $1,400.00 that’s with me changing the oil and spark plugs.

😭

well at least its not an S1000,you would be out well over a grand for the valve adjustments alone.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by DarkM5

well at least its not an S1000,you would be out well over a grand for the valve adjustments alone.

That’s not correct.

That $1000+ covers a “full service” not just valves.

$1000+ is for valve clearance check/inspection/adjustment if needed. New plugs oil change and filters.

The break out cost for the valves is approximately $400+ for the valve inspection/adjustment.